ETHNIC RARITIES master thread

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I thought I would make bold to start a file here on out-of-the-wayethnicities (in a very broad sense)that are quaint, exotic, thrilling, chilling etc.....regardless of whether they help or hurt our Cause. Should have done this when noting the Kalash people in another thread -- here it is again:


in another thread, More on the white-Dravidian controversy (http://www.anu.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=236&KW=kalash), i mentioned the above clearly Indo-European group living in a remote area of Pakistan. here's Wikipedia on their case -- truly a touching story, esp. if it's true that they've been able to " live in peace and harmony " for any length of time! can any grouping of our people say the same?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalasha


the Readers Digest article i mentioned in the other post gave cultural clues to tie them (as per the theory routinely accepted) to Greeks who had came to the area -- their clothing, the custom of dancing "Zorba the Greek" style in a circle etc. this page seems to agree even though it disses the idea they'e a legacy of Alexander the Great having passed through. see "lost tribe" link on same page for that stuff.


Now,a discovery deriving right from Wikipedia: presenting the Arbëreshë:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arb%C3%ABresh%C3%AB


This one thrills me less than others have -- partly because it arose from my quest for the straight dope on master world-wrecker Antonio Gramsci. Anybody else been wondering all this time what the hey kind of name Gramsci was? It could hardly sound less Italian, and sure nuff it turns out to bean Albanian/Sardinian mix.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramsci


For sure, there's another ethnic factor with him that they're thoughtfully not mentioning -- the usual. I have no facts to go on, just years of experience in mining the cultural catacombs. What a vile creep, this Gramsci-- mentally and philosophically, I mean. If you haven't seen the CofCC's video on him and the rest of the Frankfurt School you simply must get a copy ASAP.


I revere Eastern Europe generally (especially after its 80 years of weltering in communist hell) but can't say that anything about the Albanians excites me (they've been called the real problem in Chechnya* and a society based on dope dealing). On the other handsomething in me yearns for all existing European peoples to have their place in the sun, wherever the winds of time may have flung them.


*If I'm wrong will someone please set us straight.Edited by: nelson

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I remember having a anthropology class as college sophomore in 1973. It covered among many other interesting things the Ik -- shards of "a tribe living in the mountains of northeastern Uganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda), next to the larger Dodoth (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dodoth&action=edit) and Turkana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkana), numbering a few thousand. They were expelled from their land to create a national park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_park), and as a result of this suffered extreme famine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine); furthermore, their weakness relative to other tribes meant they were regularly raided (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid). Colin Turnbull (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Turnbull) wrote an extremely disparaging anthropology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology) book about them called The Mountain People."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ik


The prof had dwelt somewhat on that book so I read it at the time. It's a terrible sad subject but after what we've beenthrough with riots, floods, and gangs it's hard not to laugh at how these people "live"; as I recall it's a state of total criminality, people robbing and abusing each other, kids fornicating anywhere the whim strikes them, etc. Really, it's almost as if they're trying to satirize tribal and ghetto life simultaneously.


Checking Amazon on this book,


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671640984/qid (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671640984/qid=1129579020/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-4765770-4136938?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) =1129579020/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-4765770-41369 38?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


one finds alot of hmm hmming about the Ik's condition and Turnbull's assessment of it, circa 1987. I think it's considerably older than that and today's deep thinkers are of course going to have troubles with the attitudes prevalent at the time.


"Indeed, some people imply that Turbull led a cushy life among the Ik because he eat (in private, hiding in his Land Rover) while the Ik starved for two years. What an evil, greedy man, say the critics. Why didn't he do something? Well, he DID do something. He brought their plight to the attention of the world. What was he supposed to do, starve to death along with them? That would have been a futile, empty gesture that served no one and nothing except the ego gratification of one person. Instead, he spent two long, lonely years living among and trying desperately to understand people who were dying, and who constantly attempted to manipulate him and kill him. In one instance, they attempted to push him off of a cliff. In many other instances, they laughed mercilessly when he seriously injured himself. They let lions take their children away to be eaten. No sane human being could ever realistically come to a pleasant, poltically correct middle ground of love and admiration under these circumstances" . . . .

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Now an obscurity if not such a rarity: Wikipedia's comments on what Greeks have been called through history (its article for the day):


The names of the Greeks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Greeks) have shifted throughout history. The soldiers that fell at Thermopylae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae) did so as Hellenes, while centuries later when Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus) preached his beliefs any person of non-Jewish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew) faith was a Hellene. Instead, by the time Constantine the Great (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great) became Emperor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor) they were known as Romans, and all the while their neighbours in the Western Roman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Roman_Empire) would call them Greeks, while those in the Persian Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Empire) would call them Yunans. The onset of every historical era was accompanied by a new name, either completely new or old and forgotten, extracted from tradition or borrowed from foreigners. Every single one of them was significant in its own time and all can be used interchangeably, which is perhaps why the Greeks are such a polyonymous people.


This well illustrates that a people can pass through many changes, a fact that helps our research in more controversial areas (such as the premises on which Christian Identity rests). Sometimes a people's ethnic identity changes as well-- to a startling degree. The Khazars of the 8th century (see http://khazaria.com) became today's Jews; and the people we call Greeks today are actually transplanted Turks. Anybody got anything on that? They mostly don't look like ancient Greeks at all even though they speak the same basic language, herd sheep and goats, and enjoy a zestful Mediterranean culture based on Greek columns, plays by Euripides et al.


Germans,have had numerous highly varied national names from different corners of the earth -- still do in fact: deutsch (German), allemand (French), tedesco (Italian), nemetsko (Russian) etc. How to explain it?


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My computer doctor, a retired Jehovah's Witness missionary, brings me copies of Awake! and Watchtower -- and let me tell you there's some fascinating general stuff in there. In the Oct 8 issue is an article called "Monteverde: a nature preserve in the clouds." In 1951 a group of Quakers from Alabama left home for "the cloud covered mountains of northwest Costa Rica" "in search of a place to establish a peaceful religious community." They set up a self-sustaining community with dairy farming as its support. It now produces 9K lbs of cheese per day plus other products.


They set aside 1335 acres as a forest preserve -- and soon scientists discovered that it had a mind-boggling variety of of flora and fauna. Today it's the 26,000-acre Monteverde Cloud Forest Preserve.


http://www.westnet.com/costarica/foundation/cct.html (http://www.westnet.com/costarica/foundation/cct.html)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack


The Wiki article on Cossacks has some intriguing references on various statelets connected with them. A pleasant shock is the meaning of the word Cossack itself -- it's "adventurer" or "FREEMAN" in Turkic! What do you all have on them from our point of view? No doubt they reserved freedom for themselves like most successful working classes.


Checked Wikion theKalash people again (sorry if I seem a broken record on this subject) and found at the index page this little side splitter:


"Kalash, a derivative from Kalashnikov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalashnikov), is used as a name for boys in some African countries." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalash


Am I right in assuming this to be a tragicomic marker of 1970s-80s Soviet and Cuban "advisors" running around Africa messing things over? Edited by: nelson

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A buddy is is visiting us at Patriot Network headquarters here in W SC and has fascinating reports on life in rural central KY, whence his family moved after some years in NY state. The area is overwhelmingly white and everyone overwhelmingly (and happily) understands that to keep to your own racial kind is the most natural thing in the world. People get along because they aren't in a frenzied rush to get along at the urging of TV talking heads, Babylonian lawyers from NYC or whatever. Their Christian faith is simple butnot goofy or feeble-minded. Folks are very honest, hard-working, and old fashioned; if you're getting the impression it's essentially the heartland America of 40 years ago revisited, you're right. This is a blessing but in the same way a grave danger -- like most of us back then, these people have no notion the people running the country are out to waste them and their way of life.


Bob'srebuilding a house to live in -- an old "box frame" design,* built without framing by adding one course after another of upright boards to the perimeter of the foundation. People out there still measure some things in rods. a wood fence is called a rod fence -- cf.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_%28unit%29


Words used in that locale:


pack = bring, take


allow = think (have an opinion). "When do you allow it will rain again?


wooster = any kind of bee-like insect that isn't a bee. (or did he say wornet?)


sugar bee = honey bee


sugar tree = tree with bees nest in it


gum = honeycomb


branch = creek


backer, maters, taters = tobacco, tomatoes, potatoes (these are NEVER said)


Bob reports that the Lexington (KY) Herald had a contest which he regrettably didn't get around to entering: they have several wacko liberal columnists and wanted to get one that would be a sharp contrast to them. They pay $175 per solicited column and $75 (or was it $100?) for all those not solicited but published. Somebody get with the program!


* English Heritage Online thesaurus () (http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/thesaurus_term.asp?thes_no=1&term_no=91261)
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Now we swing to the far northeast with a brief stop in the Faroe Islands, a land it's fun to fantasize moving to, a sort of Iceland junior. It seems to have a strong tradition of independence, or the desire for it . . .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faeroe


and generally enjoys "cool summers and mild winters." I'm going to guess that its Litla Dimun island is the farthest you can get from "diversity," Holocaustianity, and Martin Luther King cultism within the Celto-Saxon world. smileys/smiley2.gif


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litla_Dimun


"The southern 1/3 of the island is sheer cliff, with the rest rising to the mountain of Slættirnir (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sl%C3%A6ttirnir&amp;acti&#111;n=edit) (413 m). The island is only inhabited by sheep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep) and seabirds. Getting ashore is difficult, and can be performed only in perfect weather. The cliffs can be climbed with the aid of ropes placed by the sheep owners."


Iceland would seem to be more polluted by worldly culture the Faeroes:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADtla_D%C3%ADmun


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[QUOTE This well illustrates that a people can pass through many changes and, a fact that helps our research in more controversial areas (such as both of the premises on which Christian Identity rests). Sometimes a people's ethnic identity changes as well-- to a startling degree. The Khazars of the 8th century (see http://khazaria.com) became today's Jews; am the people we call Greeks today are actually transplanted Turks. Anybody got anything on that? They mostly don't look like ancient Greeks at all even though they speak the same basic language, herd sheep and goats, and enjoy a zesful Mediterranean culture based on Greek columns, plays by Euripides et al. [/QUOTE]


The question of how similar or dissimilar the modern Greek is to the ancient Greek is the subject of considerable (and sometimes violent*) controversy.


Arthur Kemp in "March of the Titans" holds out for a Nordic Hellas:


http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/


Dienekes Pontikos maintains that the modern Greek is substantially the same as the ancient Greek, except for a very small admixture from contiguous Balkan peoples, such as the Vlachs:


http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/


J. K. Fallmerayer insisted that modern Greeks are descended from Albanian and Slavic stock:


http://7.1911encyclopedia.org/F/FA/FALLMERAYER_JAKOB_PHILIPP .htm


*I prefer to remain neutral; several years ago, a series of exchanges on the old SNPA discussion group involving Mr. Kemp, Mr. Pontikos, and several others got completely out of hand.

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Iceland
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ic.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publicati&#111;ns/factbook/geos/ic.html) is
made up of a mostly White Population while Greenland
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gl.html (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publicati&#111;ns/factbook/geos/gl.html)
has a lot of Inuit and mixed race people. The differences between
the two lands could relate to how different peoples develop land
differently.

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Greenland is a fascinating case -- and Wikipedia yields some juicy facts on it. Just started a new file on such in this same Race and Reason department entitled "Minorities are MORE genocidal."






The question of how similar or dissimilar the modern Greek is to the ancient Greek is the subject of considerable (and sometimes violent*) controversy.


Arthur Kemp in "March of the Titans" holds out for a Nordic Hellas:


http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/


Dienekes Pontikos maintains that the modern Greek is substantially the same as the ancient Greek, except for a very small admixture from contiguous Balkan peoples, such as the Vlachs:


http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/


J. K. Fallmerayer insisted that modern Greeks are descended from Albanian and Slavic stock:


http://7.1911encyclopedia.org/F/FA/FALLMERAYER_JAKOB_PHILIPP .htm


*I prefer to remain neutral; several years ago, a series of exchanges on the old SNPA discussion group involving Mr. Kemp, Mr. Pontikos, and several others got completely out of hand.





ROTF . . . was it by chance implicitly over the volatile question of whether this major ancient people having been another "white" race? Isn't it great that scholarship dares to have passions on such a subject. Ari Onassis -- Costa Gavras -- Melina Mercouri -- Nikos Kazantzakis -- Greeks today could hardly look less Nordic, despite Melina's blonde hair. (Isn't she the only blonde modern Greek, too?) I don't love Greeks any theless (they seem to mewonderful warm-hearted people almost without exception), merely trying to get to the bottom of things historically.


I thought the Turks had at one point not too long ago run the Greeks into the sea. Or was it the Armenians? A Google search for greek genocide or greek holocaust brings up much, including items on genocide both by and against Greeks . . . with the latter seeming to predominate by a good bit, even as an issue still alive.


http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/gree.e.html


http://www.hellenicgenocide.org/roblopes.html

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Isn't this exciting -- more evidence of Indo-European presence or dominance in Central Asia of old. It'stoday's miscellaneous information blob at Wiki's homepage!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page


The Ta-Yuan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta-Yuan) were a people of Ferghana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferghana) in Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia), described in the Chinese Chronicles and in the Chinese Former Han (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty) History, following the travels of Zhang Qian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Qian) in 130 BCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_BCE), and the numerous embassies that followed him into Central Asia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia) thereafter. These Chinese accounts describe the Ta-Yuan as urbanized dwellers with Indo-European (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European) features, living in walled cities and having "customs identical to those of the Greco-Bactrians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrians)", a Hellenistic kingdom that was ruling Bactria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria) at that time in today’s northern Afghanistan. The Ta-Yuan are also described as manufacturers and great lovers of wine. The Ta-Yuan were probably the descendants of the Greek colonies that were established by Alexander the Great (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great) in Ferghana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferghana) in 329 BCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/329_BCE), and prospered within the Hellenistic realm of the Seleucids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucids) and Greco-Bactrians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Bactrians), until they were isolated by the migrations of the Yueh-Chih (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yueh-Chih) around 160 BCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/160_BCE). It has also been suggested that the name “Yuan” was simply a transliteration of the words “Yona (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y&#111;na)”, or “Yavana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavana)”, used throughout antiquity in Asia to designate Greeks (“Ionians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I&#111;nians)”), so that Ta-Yuan (lit. “Great Yuan”) would mean "Great Ionians".

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I'n tracking the"Expendable Elite" affair (see "SF Officer spills beans" thread, present web address http://www.anu.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=434&amp;KW=expe ndablee (http://www.anu.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=434&amp;KW=expendablee)). Central to the story is his aid to the Hoa Hao people in Vietnam. He says by email "I still communicate with the Hoa Hao organization and did a video tape to use to try to help get better treatment for the Hoa Hao from the Vietnamese Communists. They are treated more severely than any other group as far as I know. It was one of the things I hoped my book would help in that country. The Hoa Haos are the finest group of people I have ever had the pleasure to know and be with."


Wiki seems to agree that they're a rare breed: they're agrarian and their fundamentalistic* Buddhism, while systemically misguided,calls for national political freedom:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoa_Hao


"Huynh Phu So faced a great deal of trouble when he began to spread the ideas of his religion, a large part of which was Vietnamese nationalism, a dangerous idea in this time of French colonial rule. He was famously put in a lunatic asylum because of his preaching but supposedly converted his doctor to the Hoa Hao belief"..........


A southern region raped by a communistic northern one --a grassroots religion that demands righteousness in public as well as private matters -- wholesome, humble people eternally struggling for vindication -- these folks are OK by me!


* I use the word in the original healthy sense, not that pounded into our heads by the liberal-fundamentalist media etc.


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My searching this evening turned up this item about one of the most-worshipped of all minority sub-groups:


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0607_wiregul (http://news.nati&#111;nalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0607_wiregullah_2.html) lah_2.htmlEdited by: nelson

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John T. Dilberger posted something inpreva the Education dept. that jogged my memory of a wonderful place in Jew Jersey -- Ocean Grove, next door to considerably less wonderful Asbury Park. Anybody ever heard of it?


http://www.oceangrovenj.com/


Ocean Grove is actually a town founded by Methodists for the purpose of having a spot where their brethren could gather all summer to recreate and gather for corporate worship in large numbers. It's crammed with nice old Victorian houses and hotels, shops, eateries, and a large grassy commons running from the famed Auditorium to the beach. Actually there's a charming tent village twixt the grass and the Auditorium too -- which by the way is the scene of many festivals and concerts by name artists in season.


Needless to say the population is very white, crime almost nonexistent, and an atmosphere of blessed if somewhat evanescent contentment reigns. And as you also might expect, people there have only a vague notion of how good they've got it and even less consciousness of how such conditions come about (likewise, what it takes to maintain them).OG's unique status as a conservative Methodist enclave is as much the butt of jokes to worldlings as it is the wonder of decent people who are aware of it. When I was a college student an hour from there, it was alleged that the town was run by preachers and if you got a traffic ticket you faced a board of several of them!


The times are a-changin' in Ocean Grove, too, alas -- as Methodism and society at large do too. Crime reached its slimy tentacles into the town a few years back, but this brings us to what gives OG its real distinction: when the citizens realized the situation was out of even the police's control, they took matters into their own hands and started systematically patrolling the streets themselves. This virtually ended crime as only people power can do.


That's a small thing perhaps -- one that the city fathers don't even see fit to mention in their website. But to me, especially in the context of the heavily institutional and Yankeefied People's Republic of Jew Jersey -- not to mention the often rummy shore area -- it's exciting to me and quintessentially Americanistic.


What other cities are there where people have run crime off? I used to hear rumors that a preacher in New Rochelle (or was it Rochelle Park?), NY, led a successful move to throw organized crime out. Anybody who can get me the particulars, I'll make it worth their while. Highlighting our people's instinct for decency, order and self-reliance here, and special cases where these virtues have prevailed. You know, everything liberalism turns its nose up at.


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Sad to say Nelson,that so many of White male population in this country have "internalized"the emotion that it may somehow be racist to defend an area,especially if an "oppressed" group is involved in criminality.

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Yes -- and what you've just described is nothing less than a people who have been trained to self-destruct.


Here's a GREAT-lookingnews-flash -- again, courtesy of the IHR's email news roundup! Agh, those royals......and those politicians......and the messes they create....... and the way nobody notices! Almost!


Belgium: The Bizarre History of an Artificial Country


http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9240


.....Mr. Belien establishes convincingly that the scandals, betrayals, and failures of the Saxe-Coburgs are not accidents of heredity but arise directly from the nature of the country created for and by Leopold I. Not only is Belgium not a nation, it is a country founded upon the rejection of nationality -- indeed, the first multi-ethnic, multicultural polity. Multi-ethnic polities can prosper by developing a common culture and common national identity. But Leopold and his successors did not want to reconcile Fleming and Walloon in a common culture since they might then make common cause against the family state.........

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Two tiny oddities just unearthed:


Sark -- one of the Channel Islands which is "often considered to be the last feudal state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism) in Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe). "


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sark


Saint Pierre -- Part of France 15 miles from Canada


http://www.coastalliving.com/coastal/travel/destinations/art icle/0,14587,1017231,00.html (http://www.coastalliving.com/coastal/travel/destinati&#111;ns/article/0,14587,1017231,00.html)


.........The 7,000 or so citizens vote in French elections and are heavily subsidized. The police, doctors, cheese, and wines are shipped straight from France. TV beams in via satellite from Paris, everything runs on 220 voltage, citizens support three full-size soccer stadiums (no football fields), and, as I found out when I got off the ferry, the shops close for a very Continental, very civilized (unless you happen to be a hungry tourist) midday break............





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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangier_Island


As of the 2000 census, the town had a total population of 604. The tiny island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island) community has attracted the attention of linguists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistics) because its people speak a totally unique dialect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect) of American English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English), theorized to be nearly unchanged since the days of its first occupation by English colonists. Each of the original surnames and several of the present surnames on the island originated in the British Isles, particularly in Scotland, and the accent has a distinctly celtic flavor, similar to those in Scotland, Wales, Ireland, and Cornwall, four of the seven Celtic nations.


With all of these means of escape, many residents have regular ways of staying in better touch with the mainland, and the addition of cable TV keeps them in touch with the rest of the world, also. There is still a calm, peaceful atmosphere on the island, with only one pay phone, four or five gift shops, a few restaurants, and a hardware store as the only retail establishments. There are no arcades, no drug stores or department stores, no traffic lights, and violent crime is non-existent. There are a few beds and breakfasts and a motel for overnight guests, and a wonderful wild beach without a boardwalk or concessions...................

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I'm always intrigued and admittedly sometimes amusedby how nationality and ethnicity (especially white varieties) gete beclouded by geography and cultural currents. The great composers, even those lauded as defining musical nationalists,are a case in point -- see my notable about all that on page 1 of the Beethoven beats Bonothread. I commented there on Franz Liszt's apotheosizing of Hungarian musical idioms in his life's work despite having had German for a first language (and, some conjecture, 100% French blood), but see how the plot now thickens in Wikipedia!


Liszt was born in the village of Doborján, near Sopron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopr&#111;n), Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary), in what was then the Austrian Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Empire) (Doborján is now Raiding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiding_%28Austria%29) in Austria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria) after the Treaty of Trianon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trian&#111;n) of 1920 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920)). His father, Ádám Liszt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Liszt), was Hungarian and his mother was Austrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria)-born Anna Liszt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Liszt), née Lager.


................His father gave him his first music lessons when he was six years old. Local aristocrats noticed his talent and enabled him to travel to Vienna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna) and later to Paris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris) with his family. As a result, Liszt never fully learned Hungarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language); his later letters and diaries show that he came to regret this deeply. One letter to his mother begins in faltering Hungarian, and after an apology continues in French (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language) (his preferred language)...........


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liszt


I once asked an otherwise omniscient music professor at BJU what language she thought Liszt thought in, and she (with the class, myself included) was stumped.


.........................Poking around on another musical subject (the book Gödel, Escher, Bach) one comes across a noted non-musician whose origins are similarly labyrinthine:


Kurt Gödel was born April 28 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_28), 1906 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906), in Brünn (now Brno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brno)), Moravia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravia), Austria-Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria-Hungary) (now the Czech Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic)) to Rudolf Gödel, the manager of a textile factory, and Marianne Gödel (née Handschuh). Gödel's nationality is a complicated matter. At the time of his birth the town had a slight German-speaking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language) majority and this was the language of his parents. His father was a Catholic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic) and his mother a Protestant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant) and despite Roman Catholicism being the state religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religi&#111;n) of the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy the children were educated in Protestant confession. He automatically became a Czechoslovak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia) citizen at age 12 when the Austro-Hungarian empire broke up at the end of WWI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWI). He later told his biographer John D. Dawson that he felt like an "exiled Austrian in Czechoslowakia" during this time. He became an Austrian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austria) citizen by choice at age 23. When Adolf Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) annexed Austria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss), Gödel automatically became a German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) citizen at age 32. After World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), at the age of 42, he became a naturalized American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) citizen.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godel


...........................Think of being born into one (?) country, automatically becoming a citizen of two others (two he perhaps hated!), and voluntarily of yet two more in one lifetime! OK, it's has nothing to do with the War or the Bush cabal, but perhaps of passing interest to those who love our people's culture and history as well as the current state of things.


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[Scronx]

My colleagues in the field of church music are mostly truth-proof, i.e. either actively liberal or babbittsinvulnerable to the idea that "politically incorrect" ideas exist, much less that these could or should matter to them. They just go blandly (or worse, enthusiastically) along with whatever Martin Luther King© or Holocaust Remembrance© events get cooked up by their black-suited commie pinko reverends.


However, there's sometimesa moment of truth with them -- accidentally, alas,and they just walk onblissfully unaware of what they've really just said. It just happened in an electronic organ enthusiasts' egroup. A reader had asked how to get churches to loosen up and let people practice on their organ consoles more freely. Another reader sent this reply -- location and names changed to protect the sitting ducks:


When I was hired at 2nd Presbyterian inSummer Lakes, I insisted that a clause in my contract allow that the organ be left open and that everyone who was interested be allowed to play it...........We live in an area where most of the churches are left unlocked 24 hours a day and people leave the keys in their cars, so any vandalism isn't a concern around there. At one of the churches in town, they have a 5th grade volksmarch to all some of the historical buildings, and at the church that they visit, everyone lines up to play the organ. It's fun to watch them experiment. In over ten years, never a problem.


Isn't that something -- there clearly are still areas where the 1950slive on.Just count the clues ofwholesome Americana in this short paragraph -- the "volksmarch" seeming to indicate the town is, appropriately, Germanic in heritage (which would jive with its real location in a midwestern state). The word isn't in the dictionary but the net parses it as an "organized hike".


No doubt the 5,000 residents of "Summer Lakes" enjoy not needing locks on houses and cars, but I'll be they're oblivious to how good they've really got it and what danger they're in these days of becoming another suburb of Mexico City. smileys/smiley5.gif


Anyway, I thought it was a breath of fresh air that might lift someone's spirits.


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[John T. Dilberger]

Yes nelson, it does make me happy that there are still places like that in our country. It reminds me of when I was a kid working upstate NY on a farm. The first time I went to town with the local kid who worked with me, we stayed until about 10PM and on the way out of town he stopped for gas, but the gas station was closed. The pumps were on though. He pumped his gas and left the money in a box at the gas station door.


John

[Scronx]

The Basques are a bewitching European group. Anybody ever known one?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_diaspora


There has been a Basque presence in the Americas from the age of Columbus. Basques under the crown of Castile were among the explorers, priests and Conquistadors of the Spanish Empire. Placenames like Durango and Biscayne Bay remember their foundations.
<DIV>Basques began to come to English-speaking America during the gold rush. The first wave of Basques were already part of the diaspora who were living in Chile and Argentina and came when they heard word of the discovery of gold. When the goldrush did not pan out for most Basque immigrants, the majority turned to ranching and sheep-herding in California's Central Valley, and later in northern Nevada and southern Idaho.</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Many more Basques arrived from the Basque Country upon hearing of the success of their comrades in America. Basque immigration was effectively cut off by the 1921 National Origins Quota Act. Basque immigration was restored by Nevada Senator McCarran's 1952 immigration act, which allowed a quota of 500 Basques (technically 'Spanish Sheep Herders')............</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>

[Scronx]

This archaeological development came to my attention during my VA trip. A family friend is involved in the historical project.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henricus


It's that mention of "first private ownership of land" that makes my heart skip a beat.


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[Scronx]

Isn't this a weird one:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garibalzano


Wonder what those Italians thought of a guy starting a miniature Africa in their midst. Or does thearticle answer that where it says "The town was burned to the ground during Garibaldi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garibaldi)'s invasion of the Two Sicilies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Sicilies) in 1860"? http://anu.org/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif





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[Don Wassall]

The Basques are a bewitching European group. Anybody ever known one?





I had a Basque friend during law school. He wastan with dark hair but assured me the Basques generally are lighter-skinned and lighter-haired than the rest of the Spaniards, even on the blondish side. He was a typical Spaniard, friendly and well-mannered.

[Scronx]

If I recall correctly, those seen all through the National Geographic feature on Basques a few years back looked just like Spaniards.


I think I like Spain and the Spaniards. Is it the only country that's prevailed in a major struggle with communism during the latter's heyday? Spain has vomited Picasso, Miró, Dali, and Buñuel up onto the landscape, but it's still way behind France, England, Germany et al in terms of evildoing --wouldn't you say?


You almost never hear Spain mentioned in the news or anywhere else, and that is indeed a GOOD character reference in the grand scheme of things. No doubt, liberals and internationalist jewsies would call that "boring", as they did the the American midwest till they went and crammed it full of Haitians, Honduransand Hottentots.


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[Michael]

Here is information the Basque.


http://www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/basques.html


It says the Basque "…most genetically pure of all European populations, not only lacking recent non-European admixture but also extremely low in overall post-Paleolithic ancestry."

[Scronx]

Your site is a fascinating, apparently erudite read. The plot thickens:
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV align=justify>"The proportion of blacks in the population of Roman Italy is, however, most unlikely to have been as high as in eighteenth century Britain (where the number of blacks has been estimated at between 20,000 and 30,000), even when one allows for exaggeration in the British figures and also subtracts from these figures a considerable number of so-called blacks whom no Roman would perceive as falling within the category Aethiops."
</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV align=right>(Lloyd A. Thompson, Romans and Blacks)</DIV>

[Nelson]

Lots of people are looking for an escape from the ameriKan empire. You're thoughts and experiences please!


My associate John Cobin strongly favors Chile and is in fact trying to lead an exodus thither, or at least wind people up to purchase excape homes there for when the dollar falls or whatever. Nobody there knows English (unlike much of the world) but government is minimal (even though the present president is communist), and it's easy to find a place to live where you're almost cut off from civilization.


Here's a message I sent SHNV. The editor rejected it—maybe he doesn't want a mess of patriots leaving Dixie? I'm not at all sure I do either, but........this is an interesting subject, nicht wahr?





Confederados redux

I'm considering escaping the communist yankee zoo world order kleptocracy and Belize is highly recommended. If anybody on this list lives there or in some other country that makes a good escape from all the sound-and-fury-signifying-nothing, please comment in this space. In particular I (and no doubt many others) would be curious as to (any or all):

* How free, prosperous, stable is the place?

* How's the weather?

* How is the zoo world order doing down there?

* What kind of people live there? How freedom-conscious are they?

* How much crime, and how do they deal with it?

* What kind of religion flourishes there?

* How compulsory is government-sponsored education?

* How much of a Southern/Confederate presence is there?

* How much of a conservative Christian presence is there, preferably of the educated variety, e.g. reformed Presbyterian or "1928" Anglican -- not (!) dispensationalist/ neocon/ Christian Zionist or whatever?

* How many people like us are living and working together there?

First-hand miscellaneous comments on Belize from an amigo just in:

&lt;&lt;&lt;Yes, broadband is available in most towns in the form of DSL. Speeds are pretty good—I could maintain voice conversations with Terry from my hotel in Corozal using a VOIP softphone and the quality was excellent. BTL is the monopoly that runs the telecommunications industry—internet, cell phone, etc. It was quite easy and affordable to get an international cell phone there—rates were fine.

The families out in the bush told us that the army ants are somewhat amusing —but we had a very minor inconvenience with tiny biting flies near the airport only (not sure what's up with that—but locals know about it?) and some mosquitos in Corozal because we were inland in the marshy bush talking with an Ex-Pat late one night. He claimed that after about two months they stop biting you—he was standing there and didn't seem to be having a problem the whole time we talked.

Oh, the army ants cleanup your house but it can be a little unnerving at first—they march straight through—eat only other insects and crumbs and don't bother with the pantry for some reason. This usually doesn't happen in well built (masonry) homes though.

The last email I received from a family recently transplanted said that Corozal was hazy hot and humid at around 85-90 every day. The Canadians we met there don�t seem to mind it at all � they have a great restaurant where most of the Ex-Pats meet for breakfast or lunch (The Crazy Canuck).&gt;&gt;&gt;

As (if nothing else) a humorous aside, I just stumbled upon something funny:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Island


The population of Norfolk Island was estimated in July 2003 to be 1,853, with an annual population growth rate of -0.01%. In July 2003, 20.2% of the population were 14 years and under, 63.9% were 15 to 64 years and 15.9% were 65 years and over.


Most Islanders are of either European (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people)-only or combined European-Tahitian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahitian) ancestry, being descendants of the Bounty mutineers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny_&#111;n_the_Bounty_%28history%29) as well as more recent arrivals from Australia and New Zealand. About half of the islanders can trace their roots back to Pitcairn Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitcairn_Island)<SUP id=_ref-bbc_3 ="reference">[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Island#_note-bbc)</SUP>.


This common heritage has led to a limited number of surnames (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surname) among the Islanders — a limit constraining enough that the island's telephone directory lists people by nickname (such as Cane Toad, Dar Bizziebee, Kik Kik, Lettuce Leaf, Mutty, Oot, Paw Paw, Snoop, Tarzan, and Wiggy)<SUP>[5]</SUP> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Island#_note-bbc)


Residents of Norfolk Island do not pay Australian federal taxes<SUP>[10]</SUP> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Island#_note-6), creating a tax haven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven) for locals and visitors alike. Since there is no income tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax), the island's legislative assembly raises money through an <A>import duty<SUP>[5]</SUP></A>...........





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[Nelson]

More input coming in on escaping: Costa Rica, a former wonderland for our kind (those who speak Spanish) is being utterly ruined by "immigration". It's the usual round of suspects—it's alleged that the fruit companies have hired cheap labor from neighboring jungle countries and crime is raging wildly out of control.


I think I've finally found out why Belize hasn't been overrun by it still has "ties to Britain" and the UK sill does some military stuff there.


Strangely, the diversity-obsessive Wikipedia doesn't give the exact racial makeup of the country, but highlights the presence and cultural influence of no doubt very Germanic Mennonites. Note the pic of their farm boys selling peanuts to tourists—an old-fashioned icon of whitey's role as civilizing and providing force (as opposed to his role as wanton destroyer and depriver).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize

[Michael]

. Mestizos and Creole makeup most of Belize population!





http://countrystudies.us/belize/23.htm

[Nelson]

Yes, but the evil Nazi racists there are having huge families!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPleQyDIP4k


"Are nonwhites not allowed to be Mennonites?"


"Vell—dey—can't speak de German—"


"Is it all right that all Mennonites look alike?"


"Sure, vhy not?" smileys/smiley32.gif

[Nelson]

Thanks for the cool article on Lithuania, Don. The one thing not mentioned is the option of this extra-special country seeking non-Lithos to move there in the event the Lithos don't heed the call. You know, people like us? I guess that area is too volatile politically and too close to Russia.


A Litho friend explained to me that some Baltic cities are gorgeous and sort of Florentine-looking because when they were built in their first wave of prosperity ages ago, they hired Italian masons and artisans (maybe architects too).


This just in: Ceuta and Melilla, pieces of Spain in Africa! Would that be a freer or less free lifestyle than in Iberia?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta


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[Nelson]

Discussion of where to escape to (of all else fails) continues here:


http://www.anu.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1837&amp;PN=1&a (http://www.anu.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1837&amp;PN=1&amp;TPN=1) mp;TPN=1


........ but the main subject at top of this page continues!

[Nelson3]

It looks like at least the girl has actual caucasian color and straight hair. Could this be a case of parents of one race having children of another simply because they had white ancestors in the unknown past and this just came out in the great roulette game of genetics?

Wit hall the race mixing going on since time began, it's mathematically inevitable.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazi l/6130709/Black-parents-have-three-white-children.html <br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);"><div style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);" ="story">
<h1>Black parents have three white children</h1>
<h2>
A black couple have defied the odds by giving birth to three albino children.

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