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    No new ideas here -- just the most eloquent and perspicuous assessments of the problem yet: The article and the comments!

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...-there-a-cure- for-libertarianism/



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    Well, if this doesn't beat all: present and past airhead TV stars digging Ayn Rand -- and Rand digging them!?!?!</span>

    http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/...0-09-09-garbag e-and-gravitas.htm?From=News
    http://www.thenation.com/article/garbage-and-gravitas<br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);"><h2 style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);" property="dc:title">
    Garbage and Gravitas </h2>

    <div style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">
    Corey Robin</span> </div>
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    May 20, 2010</span>
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    This article appeared in the June 7, 2010 edition of The Nation. </span>
    </div>

    In a way, it's another perfect paradigm of the rot of Libertarianism-with-a-capital-L. I never saw Charlie's Angels because it was the period in which I was seeing that TV was a drug to be shunned, but I can tell you this proto-jiggle show was nothing but an exercise in pure feminist brainwashing, not to mention the obvious -- titillation.

    I wasn't there, but I can tell you for sure that if all the Tinseltown fillies from Joan Crawford to Farrah Fawcett loved Rand, it's only because she was the perfect "safe" gew prophet of the time and place for them. Rand stole her ideas from Christianity just like every ideologue and her work served as fig leaf for the stars' flashes of moral clarity. They've always gone for gew gurus because either they're gew themselves or they have gew bosses to answer to and impress.

    gews are indeed built for giving people safe haven when they feel the need to escape their own much-worshiped sleaze but don't want to be caught dead acknowledging the fuddy-duddy religion of their grandparents. In exact parallel to this, big-L Libertarianism is simply judaism (often led by virtually rabbis) for white intellectualoids to bite on when they see that total modernist nihilism is a wasteland but they don't want to be caught dead going back to what works -- the Faith of their fathers. The fact that Libertarianism so gewy gives gives them the unconscious sensation of bypassing uncool Presbyterian, Lutheran, Catholic, Baptist (etc.) worldviews for their supposed original source -- gews, yay, gews, rah rah gews</span>!!!!</span>

    I've just found the movie The Passion Of Ayn Rand in a thrift shop and viewed it. Even if it's only half accurate it goes embarrassingly right along with the present subject.

    I wanted to respect Rand anyway for her anti-communism, but the above news item is like finding out your grandmother smoked crack. America worked when it was Christian. It doesn't work under its present vast collection of isms.



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    Whoa, What's going on here! Are you at Freedom'sPhoenix reading this Forum?
    <br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">Opinion• Philosophy: Libertarianism
    </font>Libertarian Party: Worthless</font><br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">
    09-13-2010</font><br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);"><b style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">Larken Rose</font>[/b]<br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">
    Those who sacrifice principles for popularity are not doing pro-freedom
    folk any favors. The Libertarian Party is no longer libertarian, and
    doesn't deserve anyone's support.</font><br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">
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    This looks intriguing -- wish I had time to vet it. Same daily pile from FP:
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    09-13-2010 </font>• </font>arclein</font><br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">Liberals
    claim wage and salaried workers are acting against their
    “self-interest”, citing government welfare programs like social
    security and unemployment payments. Progressives argue that workers
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    More moronic anti-Southern bigotry and gew haranguing from FP. The author is apparently an activist for some good causes, but oh, is she stupid on this "issue"!

    http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Artic...2010-11-28-whe n-attacking-israel-skip-this-antisemitic-diatribe-yall-is-kh azars.htm?From=News

    I added a comment but can't tell whether it took:
    Let's hear it for Phyrexius -- he's exactly 100% right on the money.
    Anybody can't take it, they may need shock treatments, because they
    somehow don't notice (or mattoidly insist on ignoring) the over-arching
    reality of our time. Well well, FP's got religion all of a
    sudden -- and it just happens to be Judaism/Zionism! Who is this Halina
    Reed person and how does she get to mount the FP pulpit and start
    hurling memes and insults at people? The memes are for instance that
    the Jews are the noble martrys of all history, the insults are
    "anti-semite", "racist" etc. I feel trivial writing a comment here
    because Ms Reed's sermon is so purely silly and incongruous, but I
    compulsively reply to her brand of hate when it pops up anywhere in my
    world.Yes, hate's the word. She clearly hates white people
    standing up for themselves in the face of Jewish supremacy -- FP
    clearly hates Christianity -- and what's more, both parties have
    committed a genuine form of bigotry in titling the sermon in question
    "Y'all is Khazars". Equating Southern with stupid or evil is no less
    "hate" or "prejudice" than the kinds the politically correct constantly
    whine about, and this is not the first time FP has indulged in it. I
    wrote FP and pointed it out at least once before in a letter to the
    editor which, to the best of my knowledge, they did not publish --
    their discrimination further compounding their bigotry, showboating
    their hypocrisy. How many more pet PC buzzwords can we rack up here?

    We live in a Jewish age, and it's eating the goyish world alive.
    To take just one example, the Fed -- main engine of ameriKa's economic
    destruction -- has always been headed by a Jew. People who spit at the
    significance of such facts never explain the strange, mysterious trend
    of openly Jewish domination here and abroad. Oh, sure, Jews are such
    great mathematicians (cf. violinists and stand-up comics) that they
    just naturally float up to the top of the field? Careful -- lots of
    things float, not all of them good.

    I've told FP how much I
    appreciate their magnificent work in wholesaling genuinely worthwhile
    news and comment but pointing out this selfsame tolerance temple's
    intolerance merely brings more intolerance. I'm certainly grateful to
    MS Reed, though, for referencing one Doron Behar, which seems all over
    again to bely Joy Behar's insistence that she's a shikse. One of the
    most concentratedly Jewish people in the entire world, that! </span>








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    I can't believe this -- somebody please pinch me. FP is turning into an unwanted jackpot of indictments against its own ideology, capital-L Libertarianism. OK, this piece settles it: Freedom's Phoenix is gew. Ernest Hancock certainly isn't a gew name, but once they come out for the terror meme and empire-building, it does at least clearly stink of gefiltefish.

    http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/...0-11-29-ron-pa ul-is-wrong.htm?From=News


    NewsLink�Philosophy: Conservatism</font></font>

    <a title="Go directly to http://www.nolanchart.com/article8169.html" href="http://www.nolanchart.com/article8169.html" target="_blank" target="_blank">
    <h1>Ron Paul IS WRONG</h1></font></a><br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">
    11-29-2010 </font>
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    Sarge Friday</font><br style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">
    <div>Ron Paul is wrong in his policies, and is wrong for America.</font>

    Ron Paul's refrain is that he is in fact the real conservative. This is
    far, correction, tremendously far from the truth. Ron Paul is an
    extremist, and a phony conservative. People get the false idea that
    libertarians like Dr. Paul are the same as conservatives. Though
    conservatives and libertarians do oppose collectivism, this is the only
    appreciable similarity between the two ideologies. Simply put, Ron Paul
    is not a conservative, and he is wrong. In this, I will discuss three
    ways in which Dr. Paul is wrong for America.</div>
    <div></div>
    <div>First, Ron Paul's foreign policy is a textbook example of the naive
    Jeffersonian school of thought. This school teaches that America must be
    aloof from the world stage and not "seek an empire", (e.g. Ron Paul's
    opposition to the War in Iraq). Tell me, how is defending yourself from
    crazed Jihadists bent on global chaos, "seeking an empire"? In the real
    world, we call it defending against wanton aggression.

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    It's a big week for this thread. THIS JUST IN....... and will somebody please explain how even Lew Rockwell has managed to go so far to the loony-tunes big-L Libertarian/Liberalian/Libertinian left as to publish this luetic, stercoraceous detritus?</span>

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/russell-t2.1.1.html

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    http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Opini...2011-04-01-ope n-letter-to-mark-hinkle-libertarian-party-national-chair.htm ?From=News
    <h1 style="color: rgb(102, 0, 0);">Open Letter to Mark Hinkle, Libertarian Party National Chair</h1>by </font>Karen Kwiatkowski</font>




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    Somehow I'm reading daily posts from this Sean Gabb in England. He has some good material including this, which could be useful in ways he didn't intend:
    Guardian Readers Snarling through Bars of Their Intellectual Cage

    by Dr Sean Gabb
    Taking liberties with the concept of freedom guardian.co.uk, Friday 23 December 2011


    It was amusing to read Sean Gabb of the so-called Libertarian Alliance proclaim the need for "exposing your readers to genuine libertarian positions" (Letters, 21 December). If that were done, they would discover that libertarian was originally coined by a French communist-anarchist in 1857, over one hundred years before the propertarian right in America appropriated it for their hierarchical ideology. To quote leading propertarian Murray Rothbard: "we … had captured a crucial word from the enemy … 'Libertarians' … had long been simply a polite word for … anti-private property anarchists … But now we had taken it over." Read more of this post

    http://libertarianalliance.wordpress...ge/#more-16148

    Since I've never heard of anyone surnamed Gabb and it doesn't appear in the Greenville SC phone book, Will bet you it's really a cover for Gabrilowitch or something. See other cases I've listed here e.g. former PA governor Milton Shapp, né Shapiro. Gabb would be a perfect pen name for a gew, even a pretty good one like this guy if it is the case.
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    It always comes down, in politics, to populism and racial nationalism and everything else. Either you are for your people or you are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson4 View Post
    Somehow I'm reading daily posts from this Sean Gabb in England. He has some good material including this, which could be useful in ways he didn't intend...Since I've never heard of anyone surnamed Gabb and it doesn't appear in the Greenville SC phone book, Will bet you it's really a cover for Gabrilowitch or something... even a pretty good one like this guy if it is the case.
    Your pure supposition seems to be accurate. I give credit to Gabb for not censoring "thoughtful" posts which he strongly disagrees with. A reply by Gabb to a response by Ryan J. Murdough, a past A3P endorsed candidate for a NH State House seat and current National Political Director for the NSALP, stated:

    "You’ve come to the wrong place, Mr Murdough. This is a libertarian blog, and is run and used by people committed to the ideas of Jewish non-whites like Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises and Ayn Rand. I’ve no doubt you will even have noticed pictures of Jews on our masthead."

    Article:More Thoughts on Emma West - The Libertarian Alliance Blog- December 6, 2011
    http://libertarianalliance.wordpress...-on-emma-west/

    Gabb's reply finishes, "Our interest in Emma West is connected to the violation of her rights – not her alleged status of white martyr. Though we are too polite to take your long and thoughtful posting down, we do suggest that you are posting on the wrong blog."

    It is clear Gabb rejects all forms of collectivism including racial nationalism, but I suspect that when he says he is committed only to "the ideas" of Jewish non-whites like... he is telling a white lie and holds a strong union to the interests of his ethnic brethren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
    It always comes down, in politics, to populism and racial nationalism and everything else. Either you are for your people or you are not.
    Reading a few posts by Gabb he clearly identifies with his people and is a defender of Jewish chauvinism. Gabb labels Trevor Lynch an "anti-Semitic white nationalist" for his review of the movie Atlas Shrugged based on the novel by the heroine of the Libertarian Jewish Collective.

    This label was perjoratively used since he belittles the white nationalists at The Occidental Observer for being not well-read cultists of Professor Kevin MacDonald.

    Article: A White Nationalist Review of “Atlas Shrugged, Part I”
    http://libertarianalliance.wordpress...rt-i%E2%80%9D/

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    You've sealed the deal beautifully. A Tribesman he is, and this whole business is sooooo Libertarian somehow! Well, he does put forth some good material at times.

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    Ah, those Glibertarians.
    I'm less familiar with the Gabb, Ayn Rand types, but more familiar with the Lew Rockwell Glibertarians who cling to Ron Paul's coattails. We have many evidences and experience that Glibertarians of the Lew-Wimp genre are barely tolerable in the presence of any real White Nationalist, or any White who feels disgust at the antics of our "Minorities" what spice up America.

    The best the Glibertarians have to offer is to be useful idiots for White Nationalists and the American Nationalist agenda.

    Most of Ron Paul's day-to-day behaviors are not those of a wimpy Glibertarian. It's a paradox

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    As a Northerner embodying Southern values better than a lot of Southerners yet tinged with stunning streaks of yankeeism, Ron is forever caught on the horns of a dilemma, or a geometric progression of them! But I still revere him and hope to God he wins.

    Via ANUNews.net, an absolutely great treatment of the Glibertarian subject:

    http://www.alternativeright.com/main...y-other-means/
    "The Dream" By Other Means
    By Richard Spencer


    Click the tab for Comments and quite a number of fine ones appear, including this gem:

    http://www.alternativeright.com/main...#disqus_thread
    Capitalism saved America? Really? Saved it from what exactly? The massive debt? The coloured invasion? The destructive influence of the cultural marxists and the Likudists?Due to the aforementioned issues America is going down the drain, and I think that is a good thing for the world (and the race-conscious white americans as well) because the moral and cultural syphilis which is coming out of the US is spreading throughout the world with catastrophic results. But I guess the answer of the "libertarians" would be that it is exactly because the US abandoned the capitalist principles that is now stampeding towards the cliffs...Like the feminists who have created a chaos with their policies and their solution is always more feminism...


    I wasn't consciously aware of writer Richard Spencer, but woo hoo, it sez he's "A former assistant editor at The American Conservative and executive editor at Taki's Magazine (takimag.com)". He dares to deconstruct Tom DiLorenzo's motivations and Glibertarian mindset while leaving Tom's great accomplishments untouched, i.e. just right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson4 View Post
    I wasn't consciously aware of writer Richard Spencer, but woo hoo, it sez he's "A former assistant editor at The American Conservative and executive editor at Taki's Magazine (takimag.com)". He dares to deconstruct Tom DiLorenzo's motivations and Glibertarian mindset while leaving Tom's great accomplishments untouched, i.e. just right.
    Hey Nelson, great post about the Libertarians' views on economic America.
    I direct you to a DiLorenzo book entitled, "The Real Lincoln" where I expected an expose telling us about the Lincoln that Nationalists know, the Caeser-type tyrant, power-hungry shyster lawyer concerned much about his own poltical power but not much about White American unity. The DiLorezno book whines mostly about that horrible racist Lincoln! who really wanted to deport African Negroes back to Africa. God Forbid! In many spots in DiLorenzo's book he bleats about those horrible Americans in both North and South, how dare them, they did not just LOVE their Negriod equals, nor sufficiently welcome them with open arms and wallets. Glibertarian indeed!

    Also: Nelson -- check out the thread from this morning, where The White Geek has actually JOINED US on the ANU Discussion Boards! And he did so by answering an ad from us, in Nationalist Times, urging him to bring his talents and drive to the Boards! The thread initially started in the "Suggestions" section.

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    Sure Nuff! Hope he writes a lot!

    You, Sir, have further exposed a top hero of politically incorrect truth moonlighting as a disgusting "anti-racist" maniac. UGH, to think TdiL stoops so low in beating the drums of white guilt! One of the South's best living friends in some ways yet he evinces no warmth for Southernness in person. TdiL still gets the laurel wreath for doing ape linkum that much damage. No doubt he was partly aiming to remain employed at that Catholic college. We're just thinking analytically here, sifting wheat from chaff and in general attempting to serve as the civilized yet frank and uncensored kind of forum that's almost nonexistent despite the great rightist riches cyberspace offers.

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    The LP isn't Dummacrat enough for this character, so he's joning the Gory Old Party:

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/120255.html
    Wayne Allyn Root Quits Libertarian Party
    Posted by Eric Garris on September 6, 2012 11:17 AM

    Good news!

    Former Libertarian Party (LP) vice-presidential candidate Wayne Allyn Root has announced he is leaving the LP and resigning his positions with the Libertarian National Committee and Libertarian National Campaign Committee.

    Root says he will be running for US Senate as a Republican in the future.

    Root has been controversial for his strong support of US wars and belligerent foreign policy. For the last 5 years, Root has been the figurehead for pro-intervention LP members. He had been running for the 2012 LP presidential nomination since 2008 but pulled out earlier this year when it became clear he had little chance of winning.

    Since withdrawing his candidacy, Root has spoken about the importance of supporting Mitt Romney for President.

    Root has proved to be a major embarrassment for the LP by making a number of pro-war and anti-liberty pronouncements. But many desperate LP leaders have been hesitant to remove him from party leadership positions, pursuing an "open tent" strategy to include non- and pseudo-libertarians.

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    Can you believe this?

    http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/09/...bama-chairman/

    Either the above site is mistakenly referring to the Independent Institute, which Wikip calls "conservative libertarian," very bad, or the group in question is in fact the Independence Institute, which Wikip calls "conservative", even worse.

    Peña is the elitist goon who pushed through the totally unnecessary, unpopular, expensive "new" Denver airport with its satanic mural, etc.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federico_Pe%C3%B1a
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson4 View Post
    The LP isn't Dummacrat enough for this character, so he's joning the Gory Old Party:

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/120255.html
    Wayne Allyn Root Quits Libertarian Party
    Posted by Eric Garris on September 6, 2012 11:17 AM

    Good news!

    Former Libertarian Party (LP) vice-presidential candidate Wayne Allyn Root has announced he is leaving the LP and resigning his positions with the Libertarian National Committee and Libertarian National Campaign Committee.
    Letter to the Editor of The Nationalist Times

    I doubly enjoyed reading Mark Dankof’s article in September 2012 Nationalist Times. First, his discussion of the “thrown” third Super Bowl game back in 1969 brings back memories of my own childhood in the same geographic area as Mr. Dankof’s. I calculate that Mark is four years older than I, so he watched the game as a middle-schooler (they were called “Junior High Schools” back in those days) and I watched as a fourth grader. It was the most shocking sports event that many Baltimoreans can remember. The mighty Baltimore Colts suddenly rolled over and pooped out in a championship game against the upstart NY Jets with their cocky quarterback Joe Namath. The Colts performed amazingly poorly in that game, especially after having crushed all the top NFL teams during the regular season. Would the corrupt owner of a corrupt franchise in a corrupt sport in a corrupt country deliberately order his players to lose a game just so he could pick up gambling earnings? Question needs no answer.
    The meat of Mark’s article discusses an egregious political deception by an obscure but sufficiently powerful figure, the Chairman of the Libertarian Party. Said party being on nearly twenty state election ballots, including a half-dozen Red-Blue swing-states, could affect the outcome of the faux-election between Republicrats and Demopublicans, Newt Romney and Lyndon Obama.This Wayne Allyn Root fellow ... A Jewish Zionist ... Would he sacrifice his whole party, his chairmanship, the aspirations of its presidential candidate Gary Johnson, snub Reason magazine, and commit a hideous betrayal of trust to thousands of people, just to shovel some Libertarian votes to Newt Romney? Question needs no answer.
    Excellent article, Mark! Thanks for sharing.

    Max Cunningham, Front Royal, VA

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