<center>The Best Video From Top of WTC2
Showing All of New York in March, 2000
Including WTC 7 between Verizon & Post Office</font></center>
Here's a high resolution screen capture from the excellent YouTube above. You are looking down from the top of WTC2 at WTC1 next to WTC6, with the Verizon, WTC7, and Post Office buildings across Vesey Street from WTC6. You can see yellow cabs on Vesey Street. Notice that both the much older (and weaker) Verizon and Post Office buildings are each closer to Vesey Street than WTC7. Both were essentially undamaged by the debris of WTC1, which we are told caused WTC7 to be so damaged (and burned) that it fell in a heap all by itself 7 hours later.
This (amateur?) video is by far the best I've seen that shows the view of the World Trade Center in 360 degrees, and especially the view down toward WTC7.
<center></center>Edited by: Jamie Kelso
The 9-11 memory hole is one of the best enforced of all New World Order disappearing jobs. When was the last time anyone saw a television clip of ANYTHING from 9-11? Icalibrate 2003 as the last time the smouldering buildings were shown anywhere on a television network. When Hurricane Isabel roared through the DC area (Sept 2003) folks were still smarting from the nastiness of the 9-11 shock. With the foul mood that Isabel brought to Chesapeake Bay coastal communities, perhaps it was seen as "profitable" to air 9-11 footage, i.e. angry people watching 9-11 and hurricane damage might patronize television sponsors more.
So how long has it been? Will 9-11 ever be seen on a boob tube again? Perhaps a burgeoning police state following an attack on Iran might bring back WTC images. I'm glad to see the 9-11 thread still attracting posts on the ANU boards.
And the notion of Inside Job is not difficult to sell these days. I shove it in the face of several neo-con sympathetic friends, and they cringe ("Of course you are right") rather than fight back or spit epithets in my faceEdited by: realgeorge
For the first few weeks after it happened, various shots of the planes hitting the twin towers were shown over and over and over and over and over and over again, then all of a sudden it was deemed "inappropriate." It was a well scripted event, but one that is much easier to see through than Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, the blowing up of the Maine, and other important events used in American history as pretexts for war. The same pattern repeats over and over in U.S. history, it must be exposed and broken for it to end.
Editor, The Nationalist Times, Voice of the Real America since 1985
<center>9/11 Truthers - Those of us convinced that
"9/11 Was An Inside Job"</font>
I'm starting this thread as a place for the folks who have come to be known as "9/11 Truthers" to post interesting evidence that, as we Truthers like to say: "9/11 was an inside job."
By "inside job", what the 9/11 Truthers are alleging is that an "inside job" occurred, in which much, much more than the 2 planes that hit two towers, WTC 1 (North) and WTC 2 (South) caused the free-fall collapse of three towers on Sept. 11, 2001.
The most common conviction among 9/11 Truthers (including this 9/11 Truther) is that at least WTC 7 (the third tower to fall, 7 hours after WTC 1 and 2) was brought down by the use of prepositioned explosives and incendiaries that are the standard tools of what is called controlled demolition.
What turned me into a "9/11 Truther"? One thing above all - top engineers, scientists, and architects putting their reputations on the line. The statements by many of the most highly respected engineers, scientists, and architects in the world that they are "certain WTC 7 was a controlled demolition" is one of the most revolutionary events in recent years. The revolutionary potential inherent in a demonstration that people like WTC owner and leaseholder Larry Silverstein were complicit in the deliberate destruction of the World Trade Center is incalculable. If proven, this allegation is of mind-boggling volcanic fury that could be unleashed in our people.
After hearing these engineers, scientists, and architects online and in person, what's persuasive to this layman is their use of the adjective "certain." Engineers, scientists, and architects don't fling this word around about their own profession in a cavalier way.
Especially when they are putting their reputations on the line...big time. These aren't amateurs. These also aren't people like you and I who want to believe that insiders, many of them Jews, could be shown to be responsible for the worst catastrophe in American history. These professionals are working only from their professional judgment, not from the sort of political bias that we White Nationalists have.
If we put out these views, they would not be believed. When disinterested professionals put out these views...they are believed. The best we can do is to quote them to our kinsmen. That's what you'll see happening in this thread. No Amateur Hour engineering from us non-professionals who aren't qualified to pronounce on the matters at hand.
What's the best website for 9/11 Truth engineering facts? Probably the one founded by Richard Gage, A.I.A., where almost 200 professionals give their evidence: www.ae911truth.org. The ae stands for Architects and Engineeers for 9/11 Truth.
Here's one of the extremely good and persuasive videos by the world's top professionals, in this case Richard Gage, A.I.A. (American Institute of Architects):
Here's one of the hundreds of videos now circulating, featuring a top engineer, this one trained and working at M.I.T., Jeff King.
There will be MANY more of these videos as this thread proceeds. It's FACTS and SCIENCE from these professionals that will unleash the volcano we are sitting on. Our Amateur Hour theories and invective-laden verbiage won't unleash the volcano. The way to make this thread effective is to bring in great videos like these from qualified professionals. We need the volcano of our kinsmen to blow. The 9/11 lies can, in my opinion, cause Mt. Whiteman to explode.Edited by: Jamie Kelso
RealGeorge makes many good points as always about no visual coverage of the WTC implosion,if visuals are shown too often,even the most brain dead "sheeple"may realize that plumes of explosive smoke can be seen shooting outward from floor after floor as the towers fell.
It amazes me that nobody, but nobody, who was on the inside of this event has gone public or in some way fessed up. The penalties for ratting on fellow 9-11 operatives must be more hideous than those designed for secret-revealing Freemasons of the Grand Orient rite.
Will anybody sing when George Bush and Maggot Cheney are no longer in charge?
HAH -- with the (?) latest 9/11 film, the first 30 seconds give the whole game away: a news crew including Katie Couric standing around a few blocks from the WTC talking about what a lovely day it was, and then........ POW.
Even better, at the 6:40 mark, the film shows one of the great laughs: a building called the George Bush Center for Intelligence! ROTF!!!!</span>
My God.... how unintentionally hilarious can it get? The Center is the main CIA Headquarters!!!
Edited by: Nelson3
FewJewish names on original 9/11 death list
This is from an unknown forum, posted on another forum. If this is true, and it is believeable, it shows the nature of the inside job that 9/11 was:
Originally Posted by Fred Streed
I also have doubts regarding the number of ****s involved. Two instances of warnings to izzies working in the WTC have SURFACED. How many others were warned that we don't know about?
Providing that the jews can be shown to be representative of the population at large, making up 12-15 percent of the bus drivers, garbage collectors, mechanics, construction workers, passed out winos sleeping on the street, etc. If not then it just may be possible that the bastards were over-represented in the financial sector, of which the WTC was a hub. Same thing with the percentage of the Israelis employed in NYC versus the percentage of Izzys employed in the WTC.
You'll grasp the statistical import of this: The trolls here won't.
In early 2002 I had a bad cold and took time away from my business. The word at the time was 4,000 Israeli Jids hadn't bothered tuning up for work on 911, so I did something I would not usually dream of doing.
I went through the 911 death lists looking for Jewish names. I went to a High school teeming with Jews, in addition I speak German fluently so I'd be better than most at picking these names. I know about the 'mineral' Jews (Goldberg, Silverstein, Diamant etc) The 'fruit' Jews (Birnbaum, Weintraub, Nussbaum etc) and most of the others especially the German 'silly' names like Weisbein (white leg) or Dreyfuss (three feet) Loewenshiss (Lion excrement)
(Small wonder the poisonous bastards hate the German and Austrians, whose 19th Century border guards gave the Jews such ludicrous names. As the ragged Jews came to Mittel Europa's borders, fleeing no doubt, for their lives from some theft or scam on Wealthy Nobles further back East, old Gustav and Otto, his mate at the border would make up these silly names and after letting them through, ROTFL)
But I digress.......
After first going through the list, what I found so astonished me I went through it again, several times, to make sure.
Out of the three thousand or so names all I found was 76 which were almost certainly Jewish. I say almost, because I included names like Morris, and Millman which aren't always Jewish. The other thing which intrigued me was fully 10 of the 26 letters of the alphabet were missing! The first name was a poor man named Daniel Bergstein the last on my 2002 list was a person named Zukelman.
The was not one Jewish name beginning with the letter 'A'. No Abrahams, Abromovich, Adler, Adelstein or Aarons. Something wasn't kosher. Round up 3,000 people, at random, in Jew York's financial centre and see if you can do it again.
Not one Jew whose name begins with 'A', what are the odds?
Some two years later on another 911 board I made mention of this and received a response from a guy who did exactly what I did only about a year later! Guess what? Not only did he have all the names I had, but he had the 'A' names and most of the other 9 missing alphabet letters names! His total was about 140 Names. Question is this; would the old Bernie have missed so many Jewish names?
I reckon the 911 perps tampered with the list, covering their tracks. They never sleep. Remember, there was about $1.5 Million paid per person in compensation. What am I bet they put their filthy snouts into that trough as well?
If I'm right MOST OF THEM KNEW because less than 100 is less than 3%. New York's population is at least 25% Jewish. The Jewish 'population' in the WTC would be far higher than 3% If that WTC 'population were say, 30%, then all things being equal there would have been 900 Jews killed on 911.
I found just 76 in February 2002.
In other words, at least another 824 escaped. These people have a racial solidarity not found in any other human family. All things were obviously NOT equal. 911 was clearly an inside job, that's as obvious as the nose on Larry Silverstein's face.
An excellent if bluish mini-course in gewish onomastics. Yes, some of the very names these people carry so proudly are actually badges of......... "anti-Semitism©"</span> in the evil hearts of Germanic bureaucrats of old who, unlike any today, had no illusions about the nature and agenda of the Chosen.
Soon after the 9/11 hit a chart made the rounds via email etc of the countries who had citizens among the casualties -- people who had been at work in the Towers that day. It had been printed in Newsweek or US News and World Report or other such "mainstream" journal, simply one row of countries' names and another one of numbers of their dead. Israel was not on it.</span>
HAH! The latest top official to scoff at the 9/11 show (Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III -- thanks, Don) comments "I do not believe the `free press' is free anymore. It's very expensive."</span>
General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud!</span>
He doesn't look too thrilled with the realization we've all been had to this extent. His tone is crushing with irony but I wonder how many Amurricans will get his point.
Wow, another major expert comes forth -- Richard Gage, AIA! Here's the ultimate on the thermite factor -- last two minutes:
9/11: Blueprint For Truth (part 4 of 13)</span>
.......................Here's another group of 9/11 exposés featuring Gen. Stubblebine..... and in this case the name and face of the Ayrab box-cutter whose passport the System claims to have found in the rubble when they couldn't even find the planes' black boxes. Actually I thouht they had made that claim too.
Everybody here has heard these miraculous claims but I look at this Forum as the master encyclopedia of the politically incorrect, including seemingly silly yet really damning details like this one. When they claim to have found a passport amid the 9/11 rubble, they are working as hard as they can to flaunt their power over the sheeple's imagination. Yes, I maintain that they do it to flaunt and gloat as well as to keep everybody doped up on propaganda. For anybody to even claim to believe the dogma about 9/11, much less the scores of millions that do believe it, shows that the ruling scum have honed their mass hypnosis system to a perfection.
Nobody has any exuse to believe the trash, but millions do. Or pretend they think they're supposed to pretend they aren't pretending to believe it.
"Who writes this stuff", the narrator asks. Good question -- probably Hollywood. I'm serious.
Edited by: Nelson3
An article entitled "Ex-Italian President Says 911 an Inside Job"
The WTC towers survived the initial impact of the airliners that hit them. Most of the fuel burnt up in a huge fireball outside the buildings. After ten minutes all of the jet fuel should have burnt up according to fire experts. The remaining fire was nothing more than a paper and wood fire. The steel support structure of the World Trade Center would have been coated with a cement-like material that would provide hours of high-temperature fire protection.
Despite this, we are told that the fire was so intense that the steel in the building lost most of its strength and the building started to collapse. Steel does not melt until it reaches 3,000 degrees F. Steel does not begin to lose significant strength until it gets above 1,000 degrees F. The insulating material on the steel should have kept it well below this temperature for hours. Every civil engineer and architect KNOWS this information and there’s even a website where professionals voice their suspicions about the WTC collapse.http://www.davidduke.com/general/ex-...esident-says-9 11-an-inside-job_17217.htmlThe more high-ranking political officials around the world who confirm that 911 was an “inside job” the better. Most people have suspicions about 911 and have heard some of the alternate theories about it.
Amazing how U.S. History readily accepts that the Nazis burned the German Reichstag on 27 February 1933, for the purpose of demonizing its political enemies. However, despite overhwhelming testimonial, video and audio evidence to the contrary, refuses to accept and in fact, views it as even unpatriotic and down right scandolous to suggest by way of critical investigation, the dreadful reality of our own Government's involvement in plotting and executing 9/11.
So true. The things people believe "that ain't so", and the huge truths they deny, are staggering. Also in today's mail was a list of 10 big myths people live take for granted -- Napoleon was short, mice love cheese, Darwin posited human descent from apes, etc..... wouldn't it be nice to see some of the more politically-incorrect myths in such lists!
Welcome, kmeyer 1944 -- good to have you.
Yes, it would be great to see more politically-incorrect myths "debunked." And, though historical accuracy is of the highest importance (as is at some level, whether or not mice truly like cheese), I'm referring to current myths under current administrations that are so critical and often even down-right dangerous to our physical and financial well-being as well as to our over all National Security.
However, I'm sure that the media as welll as "Fat-Cat," agenda "pumping (pimping)," Israel supporting politicians in Washington could really care less what some middle-American schmuck in Kansas thinks about our Country's imminent, head-on collisions with political, economic and social "holocausts." Thanks for your generous welcome, Nelson3. Great to be affiliated with our Nation's truly great minds and those who will no doubt (God willing) facilitate this Country's salvation!
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Source: Washington’s Blog
Don’t want to hear this?
Tough. Grow up.
<ul>[*]The 9/11 Commission’s co-chairs said that <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html?sub=new" target="_blank" target="_blank">the
9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the
facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending
criminal charges for such false statements</a> (free subscription required)[/list]
<ul>[*]9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070108233707/http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/911hamilton.html" target="_blank">“I
don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the
Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions
about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue</a>[/list]
<ul>[*]9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”[/list]
<ul>[*]9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/23/1546256" target="_blank" target="_blank">“One
of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue
is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”</a>[/list]
<ul>[*]9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that <a href="http://salon.com/ent/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/index4.html" target="_blank" target="_blank">“There
are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what
we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”</a> He also said that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking[/list]
<ul>[*]And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – recently said
“At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an
agreement not to tell the truth about what happened”. He also said
“I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was
described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had
been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is
not true.” And he said:
“It’s almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There
were interviews made at the FAA’s New York center the night of 9/11 and
those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were
destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and
was completely different from the way things happened”[/list]
If even the 9/11 Commissioners don’t buy the official story, why do you?
Senior intelligence officers</span>:
<ul>[*]Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said
that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is “far more explosive
than the Pentagon Papers”. He also said that the government is ordering
the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some
of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible,
that “very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S.
government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there
might have been”, that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or
psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that
there’s enough evidence to justify a new, “hard-hitting” investigation
into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath (see this and this)[/list]
<ul>[*]A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence
Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents
Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries
of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government
officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”[/list]
<ul>[*]A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer
(NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political
Analysis (William Bill Christison) said <a href="http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_070922_seven_cia_veterans_c.htm" target="_blank">“I
now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did
not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would
have us believe</a> (and see this)[/list]
<ul>[*]A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations
Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating
intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement
agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their
concerns about <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20060615005757/http://www.pogo.org/m/hsp/hsp-911commission-040913.pdf" target="_blank">“serious
shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission
Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were
<ul>[*]A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning
investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best
on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding
career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture
Syriana (Robert Baer) said that “the evidence points at” 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job [/list]
<ul>[*]The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who
served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor
of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004
(Melvin Goodman) said “The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup”[/list]
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If even our country’s top intelligence officers don’t buy the official story, why do you?
<ul>[*]According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11
and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, <a href="http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/11/con05439.html" target="_blank" target="_blank">an
FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and
that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI
refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a
high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken
under orders from the White House</a> (confirmed here)[*]Current Democratic U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy said <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/29/150254" target="_blank" target="_blank">“The
two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11
happen on George Bush’s watch when he had clear warnings that it was
going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?”</a>[*]Current Republican Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that “we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on”[*]Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren’t being told the truth about 9/11[*]Current Republican Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11[*]Former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don’t know the truth about 9/11[*]Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation[*]Former U.S. Democratic Congressman Dan Hamburg doesn’t believe the official version of events[*]Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the
House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman
of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has
shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job[/list]
If there is bipartisan questioning of the official story, why aren’t you questioning it?
Other government officials</span>:
<ul>[*]U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and
Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver
Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said <a href="http://securingamerica.com/node/692" target="_blank">“We’ve
never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration
actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence
seems pretty clear to me. I’ve seen that for a long time”</a>[/list]
<ul>[*]Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under
Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the
White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US
Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as
well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11 [/list]
<ul>[*]Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations,
U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald
Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a
widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services
(John Loftus) says
“The information provided by European intelligence services prior to
9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA
or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence”[/list]
<ul>[*]The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that <a href="http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/06/04/con06125.html" target="_blank">President
Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and
conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility</a>[/list]
<ul>[*]Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is “the dog that doesn’t hunt”[/list]
<ul>[*]The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission[/list]
If top government officials are skeptical, why aren’t you?
Numerous other politicians, judges, legal scholars, and attorneys also question at least some aspects of the government’s version of 9/11.</td></tr></t></table>
Many more of them out there RG,but they realize they may never work again if they state the truth,I know many people who will not speak of this horrific event in the "privacy" of their own homes!
An article entitled "911 The Achilles’ Heel of the Two-Party System"
http://www.whitecivilrights.com/?p=5968So the people supporting the official government explanation for 911 are not only in the minority; they are a small minority making up only 16 percent of the most gullible portion of the population or people who are paid to say that they believe in the official 911 story like our politicians and government operatives.
Over the years, evidence has steadily built up making the government account less and less believable for anyone willing to keep up on the investigations by Americans with various technical expertise, who have been willing to donate their time to get at the truth. One of the first glaring signs, that something was not right, was the collapse of the 47 story world trade Center Building number 7. This building had not been hit by an airplane, but went down perfectly straight just like a controlled demolition. This is still seen as one of the most glaring inconsistencies and has woken up a great many people.
If Building 7 had been secretly set up with explosive charges to collapse it, then that raises the question whether or not the twin towers were also secretly set up with explosives. Both of the twin towers came down into their own foot prints just like controlled demolitions. Add to that, a great quantity of thermite dust that was found in the debris suggesting that explosives were used to cut through the steel columns. Some columns at ground zero were photographed which had clean 45 degree cuts consistent with a controlled demolition.