An article entitled "The Centre Cannot Hold"
While the Russians speculate in academic debate and in Pravda on just how the United States will break apart, what the continent will look like when the smoke clears, and how they might benefit from it by allying with this faction or that, America moves closer every day to no longer having the largest surface area to sovereign nation ratio on the planet. Time magazine uses the terms "Whitopia" and "racial balkanization" as it admits this month that many Whites are voluntarily opting out of multiracialism by fleeing diversity and establishing growing White enclaves which are either hostile to nonWhite immigration, or downright racialist and Christian Identity.
Many writers, including liberals such as Dave Mundy, are admitting that the United States Empire cannot last, and are now easing themselves into acceptance of the coming fragmentation by speculating that perhaps the separation(s) can be done peacefully. From the opposite end of the political spectrum, gun owners merely debate how the thing will kick off. And when. And whether it will become full-on civil war, or not. Most people who insist, despairingly, that it won’t, seem to think that no one leader can succeed in uniting enough of one side to attack the other. We’ll see.
The above article links to a Pravda article entitled "The Balkanization of North America" http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/109452-0/ that gives how a possible breakup of the USA might go.
The Pravda article "The Balkanization of North America" http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/109452-2/ has a interesting and likely with a couple of exception very possible breakup pattern.
It would, probably, start with the U.S. government being unable or unwilling to deal with major catastrophes, like a revolution in Mexico sending a flood of refugees and raiders across the border and the government trying to stop states from defending themselves from the invasion, along with a undeniable depression with hyperinflation, overt race wars and repressive police state methods, and states in desperation ignoring the federal government decrees and doing what has to be done. With the Federal secret police forces overwhelmed the military overstressed in losing the Zionist wars that will take first priority and some of the remaining state side troops refusing illegal orders along with foreign power and real unknown secret societies working behind the scenes to advance their own agenda against the Zionist controlled U.S. government, the country would divide as some politician jump on the secessionist bandwagon and other fight it only to be forced from power.
The probably what the article calls "Republica Del Norte", basically, Aztlan with less territory than the Mexicans want. This area might become a lawless wasteland as warlords fight for control and mestizo raiders and refugees roam the land looking for loot as a few White and Asian enclaves holdout as small city states. The area called "Lakota Tribal Confederation" would, at best, probably end up as a small city states surrounded by the Great plain states and Provinces might try to come together this area without much population would have a hard time holding out unless they have nukes, which would be very possible as likely will several other successor state that might have nuclear weapons too, this could greatly complicate the situation. If the Great Plains falls to either the "People’s Democratic Republic of Western North America (PDRWNA)" or the "US Federal Government + Canada (Rump USA/Canada)" or both the hold area could become a free fire zone as PDRWNA, the rump USA and Republic of Texas and the CSA fight wars over the area to avoid battles in their own area.
What the article calls "New Mormon Zion Kingdom" Deseret was the Mormons name for the area that they wanted to be larger than Utah currently is. This area might be expanded if they can. Also, Texas could reclaim its’ old borders. People, also, at first will likely move in mass as they seek governments more inline with their world views and needs. Many nonwhites would likely flee the CSA and Republic of Texas out of fear, especially fear of losing their welfare, even if they didn’t do anything to them. Many Whites would move to the CSA and ROT until places like the rump USA built a fence to keep people in like the old Iron Curtain countries did.
How things happen and will divide is impossible to tell for such until they come about. Borderlines will change as armies and peoples push them back and forth, new countries will popup some to stay or to disappear quickly. What is being talked about is change and change is coming the only question is what it will look like, and where will Mr. Wassall and the ANU (whatever it is called at the time since in this scenario the USA is broken up) end up?
Strangely, out of all the things the great crash could bring, I've never thought a breakup was one of them except for hispanic supremacists maybe trying to start an Atztlan Soviet People's Republic. Mexico will probably crash at the same time so I doubt they'll be in any position to annex the border states.
Unlike the USSR, the 50 states have for the most part been solidly and happily ameriKan for generations, all of them sending trainloads of prime yong white men to die in the gews' wars in Europe, Japan, Afgh et al. Lots of the states maknig up the USSR were forced into it and spent many many years aching to be free again. So the breakup of the USSR was actually letting the longtime rape and abuse victims out of the torture chamber -- different from here. But obviously a breakup is quite possible. There are separatist movements in many of our states, some whimsical some serious. Hopefully some states are headed back in the direction of real money.
An article entitled "America's Chernobyl"
http://mat-rodina.blogspot.com/2010/...s-chernobyl.ht mlAll this, of course, has the most acidic effect on the moral of the people. Both incidents came as both nations were/are slouching and suffering economically, politically, and morally. Both were already in question of survival. In America, talk of succession is now almost common day, especially in the occupied Confederacy, Kingdom of Hawaii and the annexed Republic of Texas. This will only reinforce the already prevalent feeling that the powers that be do not care about the people or their suffering.
Local politicians will be quick to feed upon this malcontent and will grow their power on the concept of, at best, more decentralized and autonomous power from the central authority or at worst, direct succession.
An article entitled "CA Hispanic Majority (+ Bilingualism!) = Federal Taxation = Secession?"
http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2010/...ispanic-majori ty-federal-taxation-secession/In fact, of course, the California public school system is not remotely “underfunded“: it is a huge socialist sinkhole that has been captured by a rent-seeking parasite—the California Teachers Association, the teachers union. (I don’t like to mix controversies, but this was the argument of my book, The Worm In The Apple, and immigration is just making things worse).
What this educrat Fuller is actually saying is that Hispanics = more taxation (some of which he wants to be spent on him). But California has already hit the fiscal wall. The next step: a federal bail-out. In effect, Americans in prudent heartland states will be forced to subsidize immigrants in improvident alien-dominated states.
Sounds like this = secession to me.
This seems like a interesting subject but I am surprised at the lack of reply's. Could the subject matter be a little hard to imagine happening here in the good 'ol US of A??
For an in depth discussion of this subject I suggest you get a copy of "Civil War 2" by Thomas W. Chittum. I have read and reread this fine little book numerous times and it is well worth a read!
As I have said in other posts Chittum lays out strong evidence that the breakup of America has already begun!!
Tell us more about Mr. Chittum's breakup vision please, Nomad. The divisions are so often more ideological etc. than regional, though God knows they're that too. Obviously it's easy to imagine the hiss-panic supremacists getting their fond dream of reconquering (and ruining) some border states, but how do you form a country to put liberals in? Blax have schemed for half a century to turn Dixie into an afro-communist hellhole, but that's based on the gew-generated misconception that the South is definitively negro. And once the almighty fedgov is gone (wouldn't mind if it happens this week), the blax will lose the backing that has forever enabled them to push their supremacist notions.
Ok Nelson3 I'll give it a shot. I will try to hit the points I think are critical. I am wondering also if anyone else has read this book and if so there sense of it would be nice to hear also.
If I make a comment it will be small and in italics.
Bare in mind that chittum's book "Civil War 2" - The Coming Breakup of America, was published in 1996.
In the first Chapter "America: Empire or Nation" Chittum contrasts the difference between these two and explains that this volume is the result of an objective examination of the historic, demographic, political, economic, and military developments that are relentlessly propelling America towards a second civil war.
Trends in riots are becoming defacto wars and police are considered foreigners and are using heavy (military) weaponry (like sound cannons, microwave heat weapons?) </span>in order to put the riots down. The formation of "Ethnic militia's", the creation of "barricades" that in fact are conscious or un</span>conscious substitutes for national boundary's. The siege of police stations that are perceived by rioters as an occupying army.
Next he discusses "Our Unstable Tiered Society" - the (American) </font>international super rich who don't consider themselves Americans at all, but world citizens. The racist euphemism for the systematic dismantling of the rights of English speaking European Americans is affirmative action. Eventually "being American" will be meaningless in practical terms as the politically correct social engineers have assigned Europeans to the very bottom layer of the Tiered Society.
Illegal trespassers will be given citizenship, affirmative action will give them jobs and welfare, financial assistance.
Chittum also says to "watch to see if the establishment media drops the term illegal alien and substitutes the politically correct euphemism, undocumented immigrant". All steps on the road to Civil War 2.
Next he hits Mao Tse-Tung's Rules for Revolution - briefly: 1) active support needed from the population 2) secure sanctuaries from which guerrilla's may operate 3) on going aid.
Then he moves into the "Mexican Reconquista of our Southwest".He give a 22 point "Reconquista checklist of things to watch for (all of which we are very familiar with today). </span>
Next is "Revolution in the Black South" in which he forecasts different scenario's of area's of the country containing a "Black Majority/White Minority and White Majority/Black Minority.
Next is "Apocalypse in the North" - a struggle for white or black control of the power centers like D.C.
Then "Tribal Armies of Civil War 2" where police and military spilt into ethnic tribes. Violent ethnic clashes between police and ethnics of the military.
"Urban Street Gangs" are 1) self financed with drug trade 2) Ethnically oriented 3) Heavily armed 4) Organized and disciplined 5) Numerous - in 1996 numbers estimated 500,000 + gang members in 16,000 gangs 6) Leadership is composed of courageous, industrious and intelligent young men - not the dim witted punks as commonly depicted in Hollywood movies.
These gangs have developed into large formations of "light Infantry", are becoming serious armies hostile to established government.
They are becoming politically active and meet with NAACP leaders, and other black "rights" leaders. They have infiltrated police, military, and are now running for government offices.
"Our Military Bases Fall to Siege"
"Police and Military Divide and Clash"
"The Vicious Nature of Civil War 2"
subtitle: "The Four Phases of Civil War 2"
"Ethnic Enclaves: Fortresses of Death Traps"?
"Who thinks America Will Break Up"? - 1994 New York Post editorial by Patrick Buchanan in which he states:
"It is about whether we are going to remain one country, or whether there is a Bosnia in our future...from the racial resentments and ethnic hatreds aired daily on radio and TV, it is clear that America is headed towards Balkanization".
"The Bloody Lessons of Tribal Europe"
"The Establishment and Imperial Conversion"
"Waco, Ruby Ridge and Oklahoma City"
"Civil War 2 Checklist"
I hope this gives everyone a glimpse of what this little book covers. Sorry I can't cover all the chapters listed with better explanations but I think the heading gives a hint of the content of the chapter.
If you can find a copy of this book I highly recommend it. I am not familiar with any other author that has tackled this subject in the detail that Chittum has.
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Thanks or all that. It's about what one would expect, and sounds like a worst-case scenario on all counts, except maybe for whites finally banding together to carve a region (or country) of their own out of the stinking mess of it all.
At such times I'm left wondering what these gangs want.</span> Do they really think they'll be able to end up on top when the shaking stops? Everybody seems to from the Chosen to MS-13 to the Nation of Islam.
Don't they know we live in a pluralistic society???
Chittum presents the worst case scenario?? Yes indeed he does!
I think Chittum has hit the bulls eye on most every step, trend, prediction he has made!
Except I disagree that this coming ethnic civil war will engulf the entire</span> nation all at the same time</span> as he does. During these events there will be vast area's of the US where revolutionary violence will be minimal if at all, as people will be making fires with their remaining worthless dollars, trying to feed themselves, and worrying about a coming winter!
Anyone that is a ethnic minority within the community they are living in will see the writing on the wall and "Dee Dee Mow" in a hurry.
If they live in a "hot" or marginal area and stubbornly down play what is happening it will probably cost them their lives.
When people see what is happening they will understand they must move out of area's where they are a minority and into area's where people of their own ethnic back ground are living. This will start a great migration ethnic migration of peoples within our multicultural nation and will transform the USA into bulkanized nation states. Hopefully with minimal blood shed! But don't count on it!
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OK, "This will start a great migration ethnic migration of peoples within our multicultural nation</span></font></span>". No doubt. But is there any chance the nonwhites will finally tell their self-appointed racial messiahs "Wait a minute -- we don't want to live in a (black)-run commie utopia. Whitey gave us the only life we've ever had. Shut up and sit down!"
It's my thinking that when the smoke finally clears and borders are established their will be a real struggle within the newly created black nations, between black radicals like Louis Farrakan, (not so reverend)</font> Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton. These radical blacks have been hosting conferences and meetings with black and Latino gang members for years and are positioning themselves to be the "head cheese" of a new black nation from a bulkanized America they also see coming.
They may have some success establishing a government of some sort (I doubt based on Whitey's Constitution!), but it won't last and I think their new nation will collapse into tribal warfare just like many African nations have!
This new Black nation will never ask for help directly but will over time wish for white business to come to their nation and in fact if the white citizens of "New America" are not careful and do not heed George Washingtons warnings about entanglements with foreign nations our great grand children will be right back where we are today!!
Perhaps when a new Constitutional Convention of a "New United States" is convened that should be dealt with by adding an amendment!
As for "Aslan" I don't think they will ever be able to set up a functioning government that will last very long, and will continue intermittent civil war only this time it will be against each other.
I guess a lot of what you just said depends on where the Chosen end up. Will all this upheaval wake whitey up to the real problem and start back out finding his own destiny?
One problem with your idea is that blacks aren't the majority in any state, they are the majority in some counties and cities like Washington D.C. They are basically set up to receive resources from areas and even in the areas that they are the majority they is usually a White minority there usually in their own enclave in order to maintain the area. Who provides the power, water, food, medical care, etc. Whites control most of the hinterlands from which the remaining wealth is primarily generated. The blacks as well as most nonwhites are concentrated in areas that are designed to have the country's wealth brought to them. This is the host parasite relationship. The problem for the parasite is that it dies when the host throws it off and the host becomes stronger. 200 million Whites could pull together and rebuild the USA or subdivision there of, but not with over a hundred million parasites in the way. When the race war goes overt, most of the nonwhites will be cut off from the resources from the White areas and face it even if blacks have farms and power plants most could not work them. This would lead the race war to be more of a raiding war where roving gangs of nonwhites try to raid White areas for resources.
Looking at what happen in New Orleans, they blacks set waiting for Whitey to rescue them while White enclaves held out against black gang attacks. and nearby White areas were defended by roadblocks manned by law enforcement officers to keep raiders out.
A race war could devolve into a siege with White surrounding nonwhite (especially black control) cities and nonwhites eating each other. Not a pretty picture at all. How Whites would react to such a situation is the question would they let nature take it course or try to rush in and rescue the nonwhites, or ship the nonwhites back from whence they came.
As for the Jews, they will try to take every side so they can be on the winning one, like usual. Of course, any side that takes them in will face betray, and corruption, and incompetence. Jews only skills are verbal and that means lying propaganda that won't help much when all resources are need to protect ones people. Even when Jews, don't betray they will though incompetence and scams to enrich themselves hurt the cause.
Whites can defeat huge number of blacks like at the battle of Blood River and about 10 to 1 against Mestizos judging from the Wars with Mexico. As for Asians, even North Asians may not be what the propaganda say they are see this article.
An article entitled "Morality And The Model Minority—Chinese Immigration Not An Unmixed Blessing"
http://www.vdare.com/misc/110218_chinese_immigration.htmUnfortunately, however, most Asians I know, like most Hispanics, are not governed by moral principles, but rather by what they can get away with. For too many Chinese, money is what matters most. Think Chinese put family first? Not necessarily: a Chinese man told me that he gave a female relative a piece of gold jewelry. Immediately the woman's brother tried to take it from her. The two of them, both elderly, ended up rolling around on the floor in a struggle to possess the gold.
When the race war goes overt, it is not going to be pretty or civil and the decision that the Whites make and rather or not Whites fight one another or pull together will bear heavily on the outcome and the future.
You are right Michael blacks are not the majority in any state. But I think author Thomas Chittum was giving a warning in his chapter: "Ethnic Enclaves: Fortresses or Death Traps"?
And he assumes that a new civil war is going to set new ethnic boundary's of White, Black and brown.
I am not a Southerner so am not real familiar with the lay out of Black population -vs- White's in Southern states. But Chittum shows the state of Alabama with counties in the northern, central, and southern area that he declares are majority white surrounded by a sea of black. He goes on to show the counties of Mississippi which 10 are white surrounded by a black majority in the rest of the state. Georgia, much the same with 23 counties white and the rest black majority.
Chittum's reasoning here is to question whether these enclaves of white counties are viable in the long run without support from other white area's who will have their hands full with their own survival! And maybe these white "enclaves" should beat feet outta there!
You are right that majority black cities will rapidly devolve into chaos and barbarism! Whether blacks will be able to pull leadership together like Lious Farrakan for instance, and create a new black nation is beyond me! Even if they do, you are right in that without white support with knowledge and capability to rebuild they will collapse in barbarism. Although I will say Lious Farrakan can deploy an army of armed black American Muslims that would dictate law and order within those black area's much like the Taliban of the Middle East!
Pretty scary stuff! I think these times call for pure self-interest, and that starts with moving to a relatively white area. If the rich weren't so stupid they'd see their advantage in Austria etc. For others, maybe South America. Expatriation guru organizations insist that anybody can move abroad, even without a nest egg in 6 figures -- my fondest hope is that they're right. I suppose Montana and Vermont (or is it NH) will still be white wonderlands for those who want to stay, but they'd still better keep their powder dry and be ready for anything from the System.
The expat/offshore gurus also maintain that these chaotic times offer amazing investment opportunities. Gas is going up up up, so are lots of food staples not to mention AU and Ag. We've been pointing out to SC state legislators that if the $40 million cushion (or something) they'd created for the state economy two years ago had been put into gold instead of greenbacks, it would be worth a heck of a lot more today. Same for anybody who'd invested even $100 in the shiny stuff.
An article entitled "Wyoming advances secessionist “Doomsday Bill.”"
http://cofcc.org/2012/02/wyoming-adv...doomsday-bill/The so-called “Doomsday Bill” passed it’s first vote in the Wyoming House of Representatives.
The Bill cause for spending $32,000 to develop a “Continuity of Government” contingency plan in the event of a catastrophic melt-down of the US.
Why not move to Russia and form an autonomous region there? Something like "the Autonomous American Region of Brziobeydjan".
Last edited by Jorgen; 10-07-2012 at 04:01 PM.
Or, why not emigrate to Europe? In my opinion, your ancestors should have stayed here in to start with.