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    Civil War -- or War Between the States? War of Northern Aggression?

    Thought we had a thread on this. Pithy quote via SHNV despite one superfluous word:

    The War of Conquest:

    “The only proper title of our war is “the war of conquest.” I always speak of it so. To call it a civil war is to acknowledge that the States, which are now merely counties of a government at Washington, were not the sovereignties they were until 1865. Then we had a “Union” based on “the consent of the governed”; now we have a “nation,” founded on force like the monarchies of Europe. “Civil war,” therefore, does not express the truth. If England and France go to war….would it be called a “civil war?” Nor the war between the sovereign States of the North against the Confederate States.

    Neither let us speak of the “Union troops” and the “ex-Confederates.” Are we not now just as much Confederate as ever? I don’t like the “ex.” “X” is an unknown quantity; and the world knows our quality and found out how small was our quantity when it was discovered that with only six hundred thousand men, all told, we kept out of Richmond for four years twenty-five hundred thousand men of the other nation. Let our war be known as what it was in reality, the “war of conquest.”

    (Rev. P.G. Robert, Chaplain, Thirty-fourth Virginia Infantry, Confederate Veteran, November, 1898, page 520)

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    Nice to see you figured out how to start a new thread, Nelson.
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    Thanks, Don. And it's nice to see you almost active here these days!

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    Ha, ha, I am trying to get off your list of parolees.
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    http://amren.com/news/2012/04/new-es...ar-death-toll/
    New Estimate Raises Civil War Death Toll

    Guy Gugliotta, New York Times, April 2, 2012

    For 110 years, the numbers stood as gospel: 618,222 men died in the Civil War, 360,222 from the North and 258,000 from the South—by far the greatest toll of any war in American history.

    But new research shows that the numbers were far too low.

    By combing through newly digitized census data from the 19th century, J. David Hacker, a demographic historian from Binghamton University in New York, has recalculated the death toll and increased it by more than 20 percent—to 750,000.

    The new figure is already winning acceptance from scholars. Civil War History, the journal that published Dr. Hacker’s paper, called it “among the most consequential pieces ever to appear” in its pages. And a pre-eminent authority on the era, Eric Foner, a historian at Columbia University, said:

    “It even further elevates the significance of the Civil War and makes a dramatic statement about how the war is a central moment in American history. It helps you understand, particularly in the South with a much smaller population, what a devastating experience this was.”

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    With all the uncertainties, Dr. Hacker said, the data suggested that 650,000 to 850,000 men died as a result of the war; he chose the midpoint as his estimate.

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    A black Confederate activist sets the record straight -- quite often:

    I don't believe that CNN wants to open the dialogue about who the real traitors were to the Constitution and the pact that bound the States to a Union that they could legally leave as argued by Lincoln as early as 1843. See the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions.
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    The only thing that Obedidallah has said that has any credence is that those men( soldiers of fortune )*who were getting off the boats at Ellis island with promise of land and slaves to join the Union Army against the South were not brothers. Those men who burned the Colored Orphanage in New York City, and hanged and raped*any African spotted in the streets of New York*on the day that Confederate Army fought at Gettysburg, and told the Northern Press that they did enter the war to free no niggers.
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    The only thing that I can tell Obediah is that the day before that picture of the Flag and the Capitol Building was taken in South Carolina, that I HK Edgerton stood on the Capitol steps*reading the names from the Muster Roll as my little brother Terry Lee*rang the*Bell for the Sound of Honor they earned in the ranks of the Confederate Army. And if he looked real hard in the picture of the article used for his hateful and misinformed*diatribe, he would find Stan Armsrtong, Stanley Lott, Nelson Windbush, and many other Black men who hail from the Southland of America,*and who are proud of the place of honor and dignity earned by their ancestors who stood*against a man who would illegally invade their homeland, and now stood proudly displaying the Southern Cross alongside the Red, White and Yellow men as their ancestors did. God bless you.
    ************************************************** **************** Your brother,
    ************************************************** ********************* HK************************************ www.southernheritage411.com

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