Just as the South is the number one temporal target of liberal hate, liberals babble most incoherently when they're foaming, frothing and fizzlingagainst Dixie and her good name. A classic instance has just occurred. You don't think liberalism drives people to literal insanity? Watch.
‘Save the South’ mission aborted
By Alana Burgess
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More than a month after attention was called to the controversial nature of the Student Association’s bracelets for the Hurricane Katrina relief effort, the fundrasier has been called off.<O:P></O:P>
Similarities between the slogan of the project, “Save the South,” and a Confederate song entitled “God, Save the South” were brought to the <?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN><ST1:PLACE>S.A.</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN>’s attention a day after the bracelets were ordered. While the bracelets were being sold as part of a fundraiser to help Hurricane Katrina victims, the Civil War anthem called for the restoration of slavery in the South during Reconstruction, including the lyrics, “War to the hilt, theirs be the guilt, Who fetter the free man to ransom the slave.” The song is also associated with the Ku Klux Klan.<O:P></O:P>
The project, which has been cancelled, was organized by <ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN><ST1:PLACE>S.A.</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN> President Mike Smyth in September as a way to unify the student body in support of those who were affected by the hurricane. According to Smyth, the project made about $15,000 - all of which will be donated to <ST1:STREET><ST1:ADDRESS>United Way-</ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET> before the effort was halted. There are no plans to order more bracelets or change the name of the fundraising campaign.<O:P></O:P>
“It was discouraging to have to stop the effort the first time, but obviously it was for legitimate reasons,” Smyth said.<O:P></O:P>
Eric C. Henry, an advisor to the Black Student Union and a senior Africana studies and philosophy, politics and law major, said that not enough thought was given to the slogan.<O:P></O:P>
“I mean, when I hear a slogan like ‘Save the South’ - even if I haven’t heard it before - I think that it has to do with preserving some historic Southern ideal or ideology,” Henry said.<O:P></O:P>
“I think they were well intentioned,” he said. “But the conflagration wouldn’t have arisen if they had done their research.”<O:P></O:P>
Smyth said that although he was made aware of the slogan’s racist implications, he had not received any formal complaints from anybody from the BSU or other multicultural groups on campus until Monday - more than a month after an article in Pipe Dream was published about the slogan’s historical meaning.<O:P></O:P>
“Because I heard no complaints from anyone, I didn’t think there was a problem leaving the initiative the way it was,” Smyth said. “Nobody contacted me. No e-mails, no phone calls, no appointments.”<O:P></O:P>
Two members of the Black Student Union came to the Assembly meeting on Monday to voice their objections to the slogan and encourage the <ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN><ST1:PLACE>S.A.</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGIoN> to change it four days after the campaign had been cancelled.<O:P></O:P>
Andrea Dozier, the president of BSU and a junior human development major, said that while she was satisfied with the S.A.’s reaction, she is “still concerned that the S.A. only did this because they feel like it’s an issue that affects students of color, and they may not view it as an issue that affects the campus community as a whole.”<O:P></O:P>
Smyth said he was sympathetic to the concerns of students who found the slogan insulting.<O:P></O:P>
“I understand why they’re offended and upset, and as my constituents, I feel I needed to respond,” Smyth said.<O:P></O:P>
While the “Save the South” campaign has been cancelled and the bracelets will no longer be sold, Dozier said that BSU would be brainstorming ideas and meeting with Smyth after their e-board meeting.<O:P></O:P>
“Without a doubt, the matter in which a campaign is carried out is just as important as its purpose,” Dozier said.
There you are. Helping people whose lives have been crushed by a hurrican's aftermath isn't important -- POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is. Voila -- liberal exacts huge costs in human life and happiness.
And what is political correctness? In this case, its highly effective charity fundraising coming to a crashing halt because TWO members of a black supremacist campus ogranization, both probably teenagers, vaguely felt that --
a slogan was connected to a song;
the song called for the return of slavery;
the song is connected to the Ku Klux Klan;
all "Southern ideals and ideology" are evil;
TWO people's whims should trump the rest of humankind if they're suitably faddish.
Voila, the future of America, courtesy of Binghamton University -- whose student newspaper is with mostprofoundand fitting irony titled "Pipe Dream".Edited by: nelson
N: "TWO members of a black supremacist campus ogranization, both probably teenagers, vaguely felt that --
a slogan was connected to a song;
the song called for the return of slavery;"
IMO, deep inside of these two, they know it's what's coming to them, sooner or later.
Also, this PC convulsion, shows how ignorant they are, both in doing their homework in the planning stages ( I doubt the folks who "brainstormed" knew the historical significance of the slogan and the song, but I could be wrong on that point), and in the PC white guilt reaction.
And I have always maintained that deep down such people (at least half the black race) really want evil whitey to take control again and slam the door on ALL liberal rap and yap. In fact, in my opinion most blax AND OTHER MINORITIES are really white supremacists 'neath the skin. They keep voting for "white" liberals like Hillary and Kerry -- would this too not logically indicate, from another angle, that they want strong, dictatorial (or zombified and dictatorial) white leadership over them?
I am appalled at such ignorance displayed in this article by supposedly educated people. To ban "Save The South" as a slogan is beyond belief!
Only a few with big mouths would perpetuate the hatred and condemnation of the South in this way, what is so perplexing is the establishment condones and spreadsthis ignorance.
There are MANY black people in the South who revere the Confederate Flag and Confederate Songs. A recent book I am reading among many is:
"Black Southerners in Gray - Essays on Afrio-Americans in Confederate Armies" edited by Richard Rollins. Copyright 1994 ISBN number: 0-9638993-9-2
You All need to help yourself to just a little education.
A Confederate Southern Aemrican
PS: What you have done with this fund using it to trash the South is typical of the reasons WHY WE DON'T WANT YOUR HELP AND WE DON'T WANT YOU DOWN HERE!
A little article on general attacks on Southern culture from Southern
University. Of course, probably most of the attacks are coming from
carpenter baggers with a few scalawags helping them.
Righto, Michael! Actually ALL such attacks are coming from carpetbaggers and scalawags. They make all kinds of excuses as to why they wantall this"change", but it's written all over their faces: WE HATE THE SOUTH! WE HATE SOUTHERNERS! WE ARE GOING TO TRASH THEM, NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS! WE WANT TO BE IN NEW YORK -- RIGHT HERE IN THE HILLS OF TENNESSEE!
Pitiful that the alumni take such a passive stance of "I'd rather just leave it as it is now", rather than demanding and getting sane, progressive (i.e. nationalistic) leadership for ALL schools under the gun in this fashion -- and all ethnic cleansing of Southern heritagereversed.
Among many other things, your post is further proof that PC the new, rigidly enforcednational RELIGION of the Un-tied States of Aferica. Yes, Aferica! Before jerks like the UNC sellouts are through, there will be ONE main qualification for getting or holding a job, for enjoying any status as a public (or historic) figure, for even being accepted as human: Do you oppose "racism"?
The latest Rebel Underground has arrived with a shocking incident report from an unnamed newspaper. In Rochester, MN, a woman approached two people in a car festooned with a C-flag displayed inside "and confronted the two individuals over it. After saying shw would let her boys take care of it, four men came over and began throwing rocks at the two people in thevehicle and punched and kicked the vehicle" race unspecified, but one of the assailants, 19-year-old Shelton Lemeur Carson-Owens, "pleaded guilty to obstructing arrest and the legal process. S/he was ordered to pay $10000 fine or perform 100 hours of community work.
What do you suppose the penalty would be for mauling a car with two occupants if the hate had been going in the opposite direction?
In the same issue is a reprint: Whither Southern Accent? It's less pessimistic (and slightly less patronizing) than most, but the situation still looks bleak to me. I know exactly TWO people in this Profound South town (Anderson SC) who drop their Rs -- and in al other cases the droppable (but undropped) R sounds awful/apologetic.
Here's the link: http://www.registerbee.com/servlet/S...agename=DRB/MG Article/DRB_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=112876837 05 25&path=
On the newsletter's facing page we have North American Dialects from last month's NatGeo -- see new Dialect thread by searching "Topic subject" here:
30% of the blacks in Mississippi voted for the old flag in 2001. That says a lot about how wrong these liberals are. Even after all these years of left-wing propaganda, many blacks still see the Confederate batle flag as honorable. [img]smileys/smiley32.gif[/img]
Here's a Confederate Army major dressing down the liberal media -- 108 years ago. How can it all sound so familiar! Confederate Veteran is the gloss quarterly of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. (Thanks, Wild Bill!)
<DIV id=RTEContent>From the Confederate Veteran CD - it's from the past, but it seems like it just may apply to the present as well. Kind of frightening in a way....</DIV>
<DIV =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">561 Confederate Veteran December 1898.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />[/B]</DIV>
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<DIV =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">John W. Tench, [/B]<?:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1lace><st1:City><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Gainesville[/B]</st1:City><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">, [/B]<st1:State><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Fla.[/B]</st1:State></st1lace><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">, who was major of First Georgia Cavalry[/B]:</DIV>
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<DIV =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Do you recognize it? Very well. Then heed what an old officer has to say. True he no longer has the stars on his collar, nor the braid on his sleeves, but for the good of the South it is as important that you should obey as it was when in front of the enemy during the early sixties. For years before the great American conflict and for the thirty five years since a fierce and ignominious war has raged in the North against the South, a relentless war of calumny, misrepresentations, and abuse, and we, while having plenty and to spare of accomplished officers and well trained men, have ignominiously neglected to furnish for our army munitions to repel the foe.</DIV>
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<DIV =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">But enough of metaphor. Prior to the war between the States not a single magazine could live in the South beyond a year or two at most, and not five newspapers south of the line of Mason and <st1:City><st1lace>Dixon</st1lace></st1:City> paid ten per cent upon the cost of plant. During all this time we were raising cotton to enrich the New England owners of white slaves and cotton mills and nurturing with our cash Harper's Weekly, the Herald, the Tribune, and publications, buying whole editions of such dirt as Mrs. Harriet Beecher Stowe and other such authors saw fit to dump across the border.</DIV>
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<DIV =Msonormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Has the situation improved during the years since the war? Not a whit. We are still abused and misrepresented by nearly all the magazines, all of the radical newspapers, and by the Democratic papers North whenever a negro is hanged for outraging a white woman in the South, and still we go on taking them because they are "great journals" and paying our money to make them great. Gen. D. H. Hill, that grand old North Carolina hero and fearless illustrator and defender of the South (not Henry Grady's new South), founded and for a time barely kept alive The Land We Love, a monthly devoted to the defense of Dixie and to bruising the heads of her defamers. This magazine could and should have had the support of the Southern people if they had been true to themselves. Heedlessly, however, they were induced to patronize scurrilous and defamatory Northern concerns, which still fatten upon Southern patronage.</DIV>
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This just in from Joel Coleman, one of the finest (like his brother Elijah) Southern heritage partisans in Georgia. It should really be called WHILE THE WESTERN WORLD SLEPT, because it represents Northern and European stupidity and cowardice no less than anybody else's. Dixie is the NWO's proving ground, and what happens here is a barometer of what's in the works everywhere.
You are about to read of a town in England that canceled plans to memorialize "an English General who fought in the Confederate army.....because the observance might be seen to have `racist undertones.'"If there's anything more sheerly aggravating that England -- the aeonic bastion of Anglo-Saxon whiteness and the virtues traditionally associated with it -- becoming slave to the "Racist" bugaboo, I don't know what it is. /\/.\/\/.
A little over two years ago, I started a list of our Southern
<DIV>heritage we had already lost. If there is a sleeping giant out </DIV>
<DIV>there somewhere, we've got to wake him up very soon. The attacks </DIV>
<DIV>continue to come at us and our heritage. We are losing battle after </DIV>
<DIV>battle and the few who are actively in the fight are being overrun! </DIV>
<DIV>We MUST sound the alarm and hope for an awakening. </DIV>
While the South Slept...........Our 45 year old Georgia state flag
<DIV>was changed, dishonoring the Confederate soldiers it was designed to </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........The battle flag was removed from </DIV>
<DIV>South Carolina's state house under threat of boycott, and placed at </DIV>
<DIV>a Confederate Soldier's monument. The boycott continues as the NAACP </DIV>
<DIV>says they are still offended. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........Confederate flags have been removed </DIV>
<DIV>and banned from display at many Confederate soldier gravesites. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........The Southern song and tune "Dixie" </DIV>
<DIV>has fallen silent, and has been banned from our schools and </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........The Confederate battle-flag has been </DIV>
<DIV>taken out of the hands of Ole Miss Rebel football fans because the </DIV>
<DIV>football coach said it hurt his recruiting efforts. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........T-shirts honoring Southern heroes </DIV>
<DIV>that include the banner under which they fought has been banned from </DIV>
<DIV>many schools throughout the South. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........Employees of some large corporations </DIV>
<DIV>have been told that vehicles with bumper stickers displaying the </DIV>
<DIV>battle-flag were not allowed in the company parking lot. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........BellSouth has banned any likeness of </DIV>
<DIV>the Confederate battle-flag from business ads in their yellow pages. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........The "Confederate Naval Museum" in </DIV>
<DIV>Columbus was renamed the "Civil War Naval Museum". </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........The Confederate Rose was renamed to </DIV>
<DIV>the Cherokee Rose. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........Under pressure from corporate </DIV>
<DIV>sponsors the "Confederate Air Force" was renamed. It is now </DIV>
<DIV>the "Memorial Air Force". </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........The University of Georgia's "Dixie </DIV>
<DIV>Redcoat Band" no longer plays "Dixie" and they are no longer called </DIV>
<DIV>the "Dixie Redcoat Band". </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........Former Texas Governor George W. Bush </DIV>
<DIV>appeased the NAACP by removing a Confederate plaque from the Texas </DIV>
<DIV>Supreme Court building which had been built from funds set aside for </DIV>
<DIV>Texas Confederate Veterans. The plaque was placed there in the early </DIV>
<DIV>1900's to honor the Confederate soldiers who died defending Texas. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept............The names of schools, streets, </DIV>
<DIV>bridges, and other buildings bearing the names of Confederate and </DIV>
<DIV>Revolutionary War heroes are being renamed because the NAACP says </DIV>
<DIV>you should be offended. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept............The word Dixie has been removed </DIV>
<DIV>from the "Dixie Intercollegiate Athletic Conference". This is an </DIV>
<DIV>eight member conference of colleges in the North Carolina, Virginia </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept............Dixie Outfitters booths have been </DIV>
<DIV>kicked out of malls in Georgia and Alabama because they sell (non-</DIV>
<DIV>offensive) Confederate themed t-shirts. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept............Ashley Walls, a student at East-</DIV>
<DIV>Highland Middle School in Sylacauga, Alabama, was told to remove a </DIV>
<DIV>small necklace on which she had a small Confederate flag. Principal </DIV>
<DIV>Nathan Brown says the school forbids all "rebel" insignia as well as </DIV>
<DIV>all clothing or objects containing references to "Dixie." </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept...........The Town Council of Exmouth, </DIV>
<DIV>England, scuttles plans for a ceremony to honor Gen. Collett </DIV>
<DIV>Leventhorpe, an English General who fought in the Confederate army. </DIV>
<DIV>This was done because the observance might be seen to have "racist </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept............The Second National Flag of the </DIV>
<DIV>Confederacy was removed from the display of flags at the Riverwalk </DIV>
<DIV>in Augusta because the NAACP asked that it be removed. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept............A young highschool senior in </DIV>
<DIV>Tennesee was forbidden from entering her highschool prom because she </DIV>
<DIV>had designed her beautiful prom dress to the likness of a </DIV>
<DIV>Confederate flag. </DIV>
<DIV>While the South Slept............Coca Cola now refers to it's </DIV>
<DIV>founder, Dr. John Pemberton, as being a "Civil War Veteran" instead </DIV>
<DIV>of calling him a "Confederate Veteran". </DIV>Edited by: nelson
We are not losing, we are discovering who is betraying us. We are discovering who the scalawags and carpetbaggers of today are. They may bully children, disrupt businesses, remove plaques and rename streets and other things, but our people are still here and becoming more aware of the difference between them and us. More likely than not instead of weakening the Confederate people and spirit it is strengthening it.
I noticed in another thread there was a comment about the South should accept its defeat in the War of Northern Aggression. In other words, the Southern Whites should be good little slaves for their Northern and the non-white masters. The North seems to have never gotten over the war or maybe never gotten over “Reconstruction” where Whites Southerners fought blacks, scalawags and carpetbaggers with both arms and politics until the Yankees withdraw direct control. The second phase of the war “Reconstruction” ended in a draw. Only the betrayal by the Southern White leadership of their people during the “Civil Rights” Era allowed the second “Reconstruction” to begin.
Though these Yankees elites, and their allies may hate Confederates they need the South’s treasure and blood in order to maintain their empire and lifestyle. A lot of the hate shown to Confederate Culture and people is the fear of losing what they provide for the elite and allies.
It seems ignorant liberals are going to spend the rest of time kicking the corpse of poor Dr. Samuel Mudd.
Jay Leno Apologizes for Mudd Mistake
Even though Jay Leno messed up a big piece of his family history, Thomas B. Mudd still is one of the late-night talk show host's biggest fans.
That's because when Mudd pointed out the mistake involving his great-grandfather, Dr. Samuel A. Mudd, and his role in the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, Leno called him in Saginaw to personally apologize.
Leno made the miscue in late January while interviewing actor Harrison Ford, who soon will begin filming "Manhunt," a movie about the Lincoln assassination.
.................Although Leno said he would not have time to apologize or correct the mistake on the air, [descendant Thomas] Mudd said he understood that and still is a Leno fan................
"I just can’t fathom why NBC would do this" -- Ha, ha, ROTF!!!!
I know this story is a week old but, as a proud Southern race fan, it has taken me that long to totally wrap my mind around the story.
And now that I have, my reaction is the same as it was when I first got the e-mail about the story — I’m mad. I’m Greg Biffle’s girlfriend mad.
In an attempt to create the news, instead of simply report it, Dateline NBC attempted to use decoys to “bait” NASCAR fans to openly discriminate against Muslim Americans at Martinsville two weeks ago. An e-mail, posted by conservative blogger Michelle Malkin, went out from a guy named Tarek El-Messidi soliciting Muslim “… men who actually ‘look Muslim.’ They want a guy with no foreign accent whatsoever, a good thick beard, an outgoing personality, and someone willing to wear a kufi/skullcap during the filming.”
There is some issue as to whether they actually showed up at Martinsville to film the piece for NBC. NASCAR and Martinsville Speedway responded when the story broke last week that they were aware that the NBC camera crew was on the premises.
But according to a second e-mail recovered by Malkin, a decision was made to postpone the shoot. Also, according to the second e-mail, NBC didn’t want women “because they feel that people are less likely to show discrimination to a woman out of courtesy.” In other words, “we want the greatest chance to find some redneck who will cause some trouble with our ‘bait.’ ”
Regardless of whether or not the “bait” showed up, the whole incident is an outrage. I cannot understand why NBC, who, partnering with TNT, dropped $1.2 billion to broadcast half of the NASCAR season back in 2000, would have such a low opinion of the sport. They have a lot of money invested in NASCAR, so why would they do anything to depict their partner in a negative light?
And what did they really expect to happen?
Did they think that the NASCAR faithful would swarm the “Muslim-looking” men screaming racial epithets and calling them terrorists? Maybe push one of them around a bit?
Am I the only one who sees the irony here? NBC was acting on stereotypes of NASCAR racist fans in an attempt to get them to react to NBC’s stereotypical Muslims.
NBC’s notion of the Southerner as a bigoted, tobacco spit-dribbling redneck offends me. I am Southern, all of my family is Southern, most of my friends are Southern and, save for a few exceptions, most of them don’t fit this mold.
What NBC expected to find fit the exception to what you can expect to find at a NASCAR race, not the rule. Sure, you will find some racists at a NASCAR race just like you would anywhere else.
Most NASCAR fans I have encountered over the years have been gracious and courteous, even the ones who fly the Confederate battle flags.
I just can’t fathom why NBC would do this. It is some of the most irresponsible journalism I have ever seen or heard of — and that’s really saying something coming from me.
To its credit, NASCAR called NBC on the carpet for its actions, questioning the integrity of a news organization that would partake in such questionable practices.
NBC is in the final year of its contract to broadcast NASCAR races.
If this event shows how NBC really feels about NASCAR and its fans, then I say they can’t leave the sport fast enough.
This is, to me,truly one of the most outrageous stories ever. If I could post things in two threads at once, this would first go under Anti-Racists Are Mentally Ill, because it's a perfect image of how politicians are driving whitey to collective suicide. And that's a perfect "mentally ill" paradigm. Somewhere there's a name for the crime of psychologically hounding someone into killing himself, but it escapes me now.
Honestly, when was the last time you saw truckling like this? They're nailing him for having worn a Confederate pin as a youth -- it's a blatant attack on basic, harmless freedom of expression. "No charges were filed" when students trashed a First Amendment device -- a perfect epitaph for the whole Bill of Rights, because that's what it actually signifies unless we act to save it.
VA Gov. Allen has enjoyed till recently a passably good record on Southern issues, but he's openly trashed us now and is in the toilet as far as I'm concerned.
Tensions arise on last day of 'Reconciliation Pilgrimage'
Allen seeks race-image makeover
FARMVILLE -- A small band of demonstrators waving Confederate flags gathered on the last day of the Faith and Politics Institute's pilgrimage to Prince Edward County.
The three men stood yesterday on Main Street in front of the Longwood Center for the Visual Arts, where conference participants were scheduled to have lunch.
Sen. George Allen, R-Va., and Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., were hosts for the three-day "Reconciliation Pilgrimage" to the county that closed its public schools for five years rather than comply with court-ordered desegregation.
Farmville police and U.S. Capitol Police officers broke up a brief altercation when some college students grabbed a sign from demonstrator Tim Hatley of Mecklenburg County and threw it in a trash can. No charges were filed.
Hatley said the group wanted to "show the public that not everyone mourned the loss of segregated schools. We don't apologize for the Confederate flag, and Senator George Allen shouldn't either."
The demonstrators called Allen "a turncoat" for attending the pilgrimage.
Asked about the remark during a news conference yesterday, Allen said, "I was never on their side, ever. You'd hope that if they were here listening to these stories, it would somehow touch their hearts. . . . They ought to read the Declaration of Independence."
Allen, under fire recently for wearing a Confederate flag pin as a teenager, was challenged by conference participant Ken Woodley, editor of the Farmville Herald, to spearhead an effort to pass a congressional resolution apologizing for slavery.
The senator called the proposal "a powerful idea" again yesterday but added, "for something like that to move forward there has to be a basis of support. Such resolutions are not as important as real, tangible action . . . for example, extension of the Voting Rights Act. I'm not saying I'm for or against a resolution. It is worthy of discussion."
The Washington-based Faith and Politics Institute, which has conducted several such pilgrimages, examined Prince Edward because of its success in healing some of the scars of the era of Massive Resistance to school desegregation. Allen has attended institute programs before, including an Alabama pilgrimage to Selma, Birmingham and Montgomery.
Conference participants, who had attended a service at First Baptist Church yesterday, walked past the demonstrators to enter the front door of the arts center. Police escorted the lawmakers -- Allen and Reps. Robert C. Scott, D-3rd, and Tom Allen, D-Maine -- in through a back door.
Scott said he finds the Confederate flag "deeply offensive."
"People who still want to wave it have to know the effect it has on people. I'm not about to deny them the right to wave whatever flag they want to wave, but I find it offensive," he said.
The demonstrators, who called themselves "independent pro-white activists," carried signs that read, "Segregation is better than integration" and "Just say no to white guilt."
"Farmville has become a symbol of resistance. It is definitely a spirited debate," said Ron Doggett of Henrico County, one of the demonstrators.
Between trading jibes with passing motorists, demonstrator Walter Ring of Henrico said, "The vast majority of Americans don't want integration."
About 15 people gathered on the other side of the street, including two Longwood University students who held handwritten signs of their own saying "Longwood Supports Diversity."
A few motorists gave the men thumbs-up signs, while others indicated their displeasure. Most drivers ignored the demonstrators.
Allen Deitrich of Burkeville in Nottoway County stopped his car and got out, because he did not agree with the group's message. "I'm embarrassed. I think they're giving everybody a bad name. I couldn't just drive by," he said.
Faith and Politics Institute director Sara Fritz spoke briefly with the demonstrators. "I said 'God loves you.' This has been an entire weekend about forgiveness. I couldn't feel any anger that they are protesting our trip," she said.
The last day of the conference began with a talk by Lewis F. "Skip" Griffin Jr., who shared memories of his father, the Rev. L. Francis Griffin, who was a civil-rights leader, and ended with a wreath-laying ceremony at the elder Griffin's grave.
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Tim Hatley (my distant cousin and the victim of the above crimes) adds:
Thanks for posting that story about our protest in Farmville. I don't know how the reporter can claim that "college students" were the ones that trashed my sign. The Police weren't able to catch up with them. I told the police that I would press charges not only for destruction of property but assault. One of the punks grabbed my arm when I attempted to hold onto my sign. Of course the police let them walk away and kept us from following them to observe them until the police could "catch" them. A plainclothes US Capitol Policeman (brought in to protect the politicians) was standing within 5 feet of me, but he "didn't see anything". When he told the Farmville Police that, I said "Well that would figure because we're just citizens not important like Senator George Allen". Wonder how much the bill came to for bringing several Capitol Police (at least 2 cars and I observed 5 officers) cost for the three days?
To show you how the police treat White people these days. We had been there all of 5 minutes and a US Capitol Police car came up with lights on, followed by a Farmville Police car. The Capitol cop wanted to what what group we were with? I told him none. Then he wanted to know if I had ID? I asked him why, as we were peacefully protesting? He replied something to the effect of "we just like to know who is out here". At this point I called my friend Ron Doggett over and filled him in. Personally I was opposed to the idea of giving up my ID. Call me crazy, but I still believe in the right of an American to roam the streets without hearing "papers please". Ron told me that the cops would just be really difficult and probably detain us for a couple of hours if we didn't play by their rules. Reluctantly, I gave the cop my ID and other buddy of mine wasn't too keen on the giving of ID either. After the local police ran all 3 of our IDs and nothing came back, they were given back to us. A local cop then ask me, "Mr Hatley do you have a concealed weapon?". To which I replied, "No". She said "I had to ask you since the check came back that you have a concealed weapons permit". I didn't argue the point, but to my knowledge based upon information from the Virginia State Police, you are not prohibited from carrying a weapon to a public demonstration. After the three thugs took my sign and incidentially harassed a newspaper photographer (that didn't make the story either), I asked the same lady cop if we were permitted to carry pepper spray? She said "It would depend on the strength and size of the can". She was definitely making it up as she went. I've lost any respect that I had for the local law enforcement of the Farmville area.
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Here you go -- people and press speaking of Confederate heritage as something that should be criminal but isn't yet. Mind you, these are the people that marched and carried on and got arrested with Martin in the civil riots era "for freedom". [img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img]Outrageous the guys have capitulated on earlier issues -- I guess it's only a matter of time till they change their theme to "Diversity is our greatest strength" or something.
<H1>Athens neighborhood fights arrival of fraternity house</H1>
ATHENS, Ga. - Residents of the Hancock neighborhood are up in arms against the upcoming move of a University of Georgia fraternity into their midst.
But this is not just a town vs. gown conflict, though residents in this predominantly black neighborhood fear an increase in property taxes, bad behavior and noise. At issue is this fraternity's Southern pride, which becomes visible in the streets when Kappa Alpha brothers hold the Old South Parade, some sporting Confederate-style outfits.
This year, trying to reach out to its future neighbors, the fraternity canceled the parade and vowed to find other ways to celebrate its founders' day. Fraternity founders in 1865 at Virginia's Washington College said they based their ideals of honor and chivalry on Robert E. Lee, the Confederate leader who served as president of that university.
But some neighborhood activists are still worried about a fraternity that displayed the Confederate flag outside its house until university administrators and black students asked them not to in 2000.
"There's some boiling of the blood," said Bertha Troutman-Rambeau. "You have to know the history. They believe the South will rise again. It will not."
Kappa Alpha bought the six-acre property in November for $2.7 million after the university asked five fraternities to relocate from the edge of campus. It plans to start building a three-story, 18-bedroom mansion in the fall.
"They're going to give 'tore up from the floor up' a new name," said the Rev. Ben Rivers, who's the pastor at the city's oldest black church and is leading efforts to keep the fraternity away.
Members of other Kappa Alpha chapters were suspended from their schools between 1992 and 2001 for using Confederate and racist imagery, including an incident at Emory University in Atlanta in 1998 when some fraternity members wore offensive makeup to parties.
But there have been no incidents in the last five years. Mark Cross, adviser for the Athens chapter, said the neighborhood hostility has caught them by surprise.
"Whether it was out of naivete, we didn't anticipate an outcry against us being a Southern fraternity," he said. "It was eye-opening to hear the pain."
No matter how much Whites claim to be pro-minority and betray their own people and history, the minorities are still going to hate them because the minorities hate Whites and everyone else who is not their ethic group.
This via SHNV -- Note about a black man's persecution for the Cause at UT, and by contrast a page from the UT newspaper showcasing the school's real "values".
It's your turn next Sunday UNC-A to celebrate diversity...
<DIV>From: firstname.lastname@example.org </DIV>
<DIV>From the University of Texas at Austin that's been worried sick the statues of Confederate leaders on campus are offensive...In August of 2004 H.K. was issued a criminal trespass warning by campus police for carrying a Battle Flag while viewing the statues. </DIV>
<DIV>Sexual expression takes artistic forms Show an effort to recognize the 'personhood' of an ignored industry, founder says
<DIV>LATER......from an earlier SHNV I'm vetting. If these two "Southern" schools can host this depravity, can you feel safe enrolling your child anywhere?</DIV>
Item of interest from UNC-A </DIV>
<DIV>From: email@example.com </DIV>
The announcement below was forwarded to me by an SCV member in Asheville. The University of North Carolina at Asheville is the same institution that prohibited H.K. Edgerton from appearing on its quadrangle with a Confederate battle flag. Apparently the University has a very elastic interpretation of its duties and responsibilities under the First Amendment.
Dr. Pedilla's e-mail is firstname.lastname@example.org. His direct land line is (828) 251-6740.
The Southern Legal Resource Center</DIV>
February 14, 2006</DIV>
<DIV>Dear Members of the Campus Community:</DIV>
<DIV>I write to share with you the announcement of an event that will occur at 8:00 pm on Sunday, February 26, 2006, in Lipinsky Auditorium. This event may stir controversy, but perhaps it can also remind us of the ways that a public liberal arts university can engage complex and important topics. UNC Asheville is and should be a place tolerant of ideas and encouraging of spirited debate. Indeed, institutions of higher education must maintain their status as venues for deliberation and debate of any and all topics of cultural, political and scientific importance.</DIV>
<DIV>The event is titled Sex Workers' Art Show (SWAS) and it describes itself as combining multimedia and performance art. The show is one stop of a national tour, and it reprises topics and approaches from previous years' performances. SWAS' organizers describe it as "An evening of visual + performance art created by people who work in the sex industry to dispel the myth that they are anything short of artists, innovators, and geniuses." Perhaps you are already aware of the increased attention in the general media about the individuals who comprise a multi-billion dollar industry of global dimensions. The show features entertainers who represent aspects of the sex industry trades through spoken word, poetry, and burlesque dancing. The show's designers intend it to "move the audience to move beyond traditional stereotypes that are one dimensionally positive or negative."</DIV>
<DIV>The Sex Workers' Art Show contains material that may be difficult for some of us to understand under the rubrics of art and education. If you are interested in attending, be aware and be forwarned: the event is for mature audiences and not for younger children, though all UNC Asheville students have the right and privilege to join the audience regardless of their age. Also know that no state funds or student fees are being used to support the event.</DIV>
<DIV>As a state agency and a public institution of higher education, our University is governed by the First Amendment, which prohibits content-based restrictions on speech. The exercise of free speech can be provocative, even disturbing, and speech and ideas that some find meaningful or profound may strike others as trivial or offensive. In keeping with this obligation, and the academic traditions of the free exchange of ideas, the University respects the free speech rights of its students, faculty and staff. </DIV>
<DIV>The SWAS is sponsored by many academic programs and student groups. This list includes Alliance (a student organization dedicated to supporting resources for Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans, Queer, Straight students); the Department of Art; the Programs of Arts and Ideas; Women's Studies, the Feminist Collective (a student group); the Department of Literature and Language; the Department of Political Science; the Department of Health and Wellness; and the Department of Sociology. Alliance is the lead entity in bringing the show to campus. While I have received roughly a dozen statements of support for staging the show at UNC Asheville, I offer a sample of comments from two faculty members and one student:</DIV>
<DIV>We live in a complicated world. There are lots of different sorts of people in it. Whatever our views or our differences, certainly one of the important jobs of a university is to educate students about diversity in the world. We'd expect to do this in classes on rainforest ecology. We should expect to do this in classes on society. The very word "university" suggests the bringing together of the variety of human experiences for our critical reflection. My concern is that all too often we demonize people who seem strange to us- and usually we do this without knowing anything about them. Finding out how other people live and think, learning what their lives are like - that doesn't mean we have to give up how we live and think. It just means we are richer human beings knowing about human variation. And it means we have expanded our own humanity. We grow as persons knowing about other people, regardless of their differences. My hunch is our own values are in that way clarified and refined. Teaching students about frog anatomy, exposing them to frogs in a dissection lab, does not make our students more frog-like. Getting students to read about ancient civilizations or societies, or to learn about other world religions, or societies on the other side of the planet, does not mean that our students will reject their own culture. It just means they will be richer human beings knowing something about the varieties of human experience, and having pondered the history and circumstances that generate that variation. (Dr. John Wood, Department of Sociology)</DIV>
<DIV>I think universities are places in which learners should be encouraged to question. I like to think that my job is to stimulate those questions, not answer them. So here we are with a performance that is not only likely to be highly entertaining but is also focused on an area in which people have deep curiosity (whether they admit it or not). What an opportunity! Let's face it, most people get their information about sex workers from brown paper wrapped magazines and Hollywood stereotypes, and at least in my field there aren't many resources to counteract such misinformation. I fully expect that this performance will cause me to reexamine my own perceptions of sex workers, and I can't imagine that it won't likewise affect my students. What better place to offer such a performance than at a university? (Dr. Melissa Himelein, Department of Psychology)</DIV>
<DIV>I believe a major role of a university is to seek to more fully understand the world around us. As a student organization, our role specifically is to providing interesting and challenging social opportunities in which we can bond through our experience and discussion of the world around us. As the gay/straight alliance, we are particularly sensitive to the demonization of sexuality that is prevalent in today's society. The sex workers art show is intended to challenge the stereotypes that people hold about sex workers as being sub-human. It is intended to promote discussion about a very complicated topic that often gets ignored and demonized because of its sexual nature. (Laura Friederich, Alliance Co-President, Senior Chemistry Major)</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you for your attention to this announcement. Since it is anticipated that the event will fill Lipinsky, tickets will be issued. Details are still being worked out, but holders of the UNCA One Card will be able to obtain a ticket without cost; others will be asked to pay a nominal fee.</DIV>
<DIV>Mark W. Padilla
Provost and Vice Chancellor for Academic and Student Affairs</DIV>
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KA doesn't fly the battle flag at all anymore, anywhere as far as I know. Members are told not to do this because of past lawsuits and other threats. They might as well shut the frat down if it is going to betray its roots. Now, even the Old South week parades are flag-less, which is laughable at best.
Other things they can show and enshrine and celebrate instead, to be politically correct:
Old South Church, Boston
Old Rt. 66 southbound in Michigan
Gondwanaland -- supercontinent that gave birth to S. America, Africa, Madagascar etc. "200 million" years ago
This from SHNV just now. A communist purge!
Lee Chapel - The Rumors are True
<DIV>From: email@example.com </DIV>
<DIV>From Michael Pursley, SCV - Lexington, Va.</DIV>
Michael.... is this true ????? </DIV>
To: firstname.lastname@example.org </DIV>
<DIV>Several years ago Lee Chapel went under renovations and most of Lee's personal items are either on storage in a basement at Washington and Lee or are at the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond. We are aware of the situation and are most unhappy. It seems as you go to the museum you would get impression that they just reveal the history of the college than actually the man whom saved it from destitution. Annually we have been holding Lee-Jackson services there since 1999 and next year will be the 200th anniversary of Lee's birth. We are planning on putting off a swell affair. Please keep all interested informed. </DIV>
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Michael.... is this true ?????</DIV>
<DIV>Lee Chapel phasing out Lee's CSA service
<DIV>Lee Chapel - Phasing out Robert E. Lee
(The following is an email received from a UDC lady who recently visited Lee Chapel at Washington & Lee University from another state)
<DIV>I just returned from a two week trip to Virginia. I came to see the battlefields, and historic sites. Of course, no trip to Virginia would be complete without time in Lexington; VMI, Leeâ€™s Chapel, Washington and Lee. And that brings me to my concern. While in the Lee Chapel gift shop, I visited with the Yankee clerk. I ask him about a copy of Leeâ€™s final address to his men. The Yankee clerk (from Chicago) told me that Washington and Lee were phasing out General Leeâ€™s time in the War. That he was still a great man before and after the war but the war time would need to be phased out.
To phase out General Leeâ€™s time with the Army of Northern Virginia and the Confederacy would be like phasing out General George Washington's time with the Continental Army. How absurd!</DIV>
<DIV>LATER. From SHNV correspondence on the KKK's habit ofrallying in theConfederacy's sacred spaces, and the hysterical over-reaction to this by some in the Southern heritage community.</DIV>
<DIV>The problem is that the KKK thereby gives the chattering classes (the media et al) a chanceto say "Look! See? The Southern heritage movement is racist to the core!" But the bigger problem is that some of our (?) own, who are in my opinion ringers sent in by the freemasons to create division and ill will, start screeching that all Southern heritage organzations -- especially the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV) -- must stand up and denounce the Klan, assert that they have nothing to do with them, etc. </DIV>
<DIV>This accomplishes a sort of grand slam among conspiracy goals. It repeatedly gets people's attentions focused on non-issues; reasserts the liberal hogwash bugaboo that "racism" is the most heinous crime in the world, and that nobody who can be branded a racist can have any redeeming or useful qualities; gets Southern heritage people at each others' throats in nothing flat; and gains ground for the stupid, hate-filled, twisted, liberaloid, would-be thought police forever lurking around in Southern heritage circles. Because these people-- well, one in particular -- are so full of bluster and braggadocio, simple minds end up not only answer their fraudulent calls to arms, but respecting them for having heaped such abuse on everybody. </DIV>
<DIV>As I said, this happens over and over again, like clockwork. But this time, Elizabeth Wright -- brilliant and courageous black woman who editsthe very un-PC "Issues and Views" newsletter-- has weighed in. For anyone interested, here's her message quoting and responding to one of the two demagogues (the "good cop" one of the two)............</DIV>
<DIV>Diverted by a futile battle </DIV>
<DIV>From: email@example.com </DIV>
<DIV>"And, of course, many newspapers and TV stations love to cover and quote the racists and other extremists among us because they know it makes Southern heritage look hateful and disgraceful. One way to combat this tactic is for heritage defense organizations, such as the SCV, to repeatedly and loudly condemn hate groups like the Klan . . ."</DIV>
<DIV>There is not a doggoned thing anyone can do about the use of a public symbol like the flag. You can rant and rave all you wish, it makes no impact on the media. For reporters, it's a thrill to do stories on Klan-type groups, not on those who oppose them. Journalists and editors have heard all the protests, over and over again, and they are amused by these claims of "misuse" of Confederate symbols. For them, the subject makes for "controversy" and a hot story. They wake up in the morning hoping for such a story, salivating for the opportunity to instigate and aggravate.</DIV>
<DIV>A poster said something about "casting the racists out" of the SCV. Oh, how the media loves to watch and report on the "purge" thing that goes on among conservative oriented groups. Defending against "racism" is a worthless and futile activity. </DIV>
<DIV>And you still don't get it. </DIV>
<DIV>.....................And thiswas, by the way, written not yet seen by me (/\/.\/\/.) when I sent two similar postings. Here they are, with a representative portion of the message I was responding to in each case.</DIV>
<DIV>I throw all this in here simply to elucidate what's really going on inliberals'"racism" (or "anti-racism") industry despite noble appearances to the contrary. Yes, it's a racism industry, because it's really all about liberals' hatred of the white race and their fomenting an industry of strife and social upheaval over their tired old"racism" chimera! </DIV>
<DIV>You know one of the people I was writing these open messages to -- Clint Lacy, by now an old friend of the Nationalist Times. Tim Manning is perhaps less familiar to you -- he's an excellent staff member at the often excellent Southern Partisan magazine here in Columbia, SC, another man often caught thinking outside to box of liberal and even "conservative" orthodoxy! [img]smileys/smiley32.gif[/img]</DIV>
<DIV>Sensitivity police apprehended
Dear Chuck and readers,
I have been watching the latest "dust up" between those who believe the SCV should condemn the Ku Klux Klan for using the Confederate Battle Flag.
I have just one question for all of you and that is this...
Why should the SCV condemn the Ku Klux Klan for a flag that for the most part it no longer uses?>>>>>>>>>></DIV>
/\/.\/\/. COMMENTS: Because, Clint -- some people's only interest in life is warring against liberally-defined "racism", and they feel they need to keep the din up 24/7 in order to force (or stampede) everybody else into their way of thinking. Stop calling for free thought and moderation -- those things are as pass頡s the pet rock and hula hoop. When the anti-"racists*" finally stage their coup, you may find yourself smack in the middle of a heresy trial!
* I use the word "racist," as well, only as promulgated by communist ideologues and their willing (if mostly unwitting) waterboys everywhere. </DIV>
<DIV>SCV, KKK, ADHD, CHF etc.
Gentlemen (Not Guys),
Clint Lacy is right when he wrote, "I am not speaking for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, I am merely expressing my opinion as a member. I for one also do not think that they should have to issue a new statement on this matter every time someone squawks about it."
It just may be that every time the Sons of Confederate Veterans deny an association with KKK or the UKA or some other like organization, that it inadvertently links the SCV to the KKK in the minds of the less discriminate readers and listeners. The better response may be when we are approached with stupid requests and questions, "Why do you ask me about the KKK? What do you expect of me? What have I done to make you think I would support such a group?" They insult us all the time and like sheep waiting to slaughtered we just stand there in denial (a weak position at best) and bleat the expected line of political correctness. We should rise in righteous indignation that they would ask us such a question. They lack good manners and their momma's didn't raise them right. It gives us a fair opportunity to tell them what we think of them and their pushy behaviour.
People expecting the SCV to condemn the KKK are akin to a man being asked the question, "When did you stop beating you wife?" We need to stop responding to stupid no-win situations that arise our of the ignorance of the great hoard of dumbed down Yankee's and reconstructed Southerners.>>>>>>>>>&g t;</DIV>
/\/.\/\/. COMMENTS: At last, some intelligent commentary on this stuff. Thanks and kudos, Tim Manning; listen good, everybody else. The truth -- I don't know how many in any faction are up to facing it! -- is that our people are chronically witless in the war for the soul of America. In issue upon issue, forum upon forum, social stratum upon social stratum, candidacy upon political candidacy, OUR SWORN ENEMIES are playing MIND GAMES on us and laughing uncontrollably at how readily our people bite the bait and dance the tune that THEY have called. While we're slugging it out as to who to shun, THEY are clinking highball glasses together over how well the "racism" smear tactic is still doing after all these years.
While our side is busy hotly denying "conspiracy theories" and lambasting the people (like me) who shout a warning about this concrete reality of our time, OUR SWORN ENEMIES in the highest echelons of world power, are having fun figuring out new ways for us to stand around arguing with each other and putting up "walls of separation" between organizations.
What, you don't think the war against Dixie is even thought of in the top echelons of world power -- that they have more pressing things on their mind? So, you think that suddenly all liberal forces in the country decided the Confederate flag had to go at the exact same moment in time, because of something in the water they drink? Don't be stupid, that kind of decision is hatched at places like Tavistock Institute and handed down at meetings of CFR, Bilderberg et al......... in due time coming out in the behavior of Chambers of Commerce, scalawag governors, and mega-businesses like Wal-Mart and Coca-Cola. No theory -- fact. When people say "listen, we're not going to get into all that conspiracy theory stuff" I say good, because I'm here to talk HARD CONSPIRACY REALITY.
I am no fan of the Klan (quite the contrary, as regular SHNV readers are aware) but to deny what good the Klan does the South is as foolish as embracing the 3K whole hog. it begins to look eerily like Orwell's "two-minute hate" concept. In fact, I have to wonder about people who constantly shriek that division must be maintained between two (or more) organizations that are working against shared enemies. The enemies we all have in common are liberals, their organizations like ACLU and NAACP, the mass media, and the high-dollar establishments in the fields of government, education, industry, and religion. (Yes, the church bureaucracies are all anti-Southern liberal lobbies now too, even the formerly "good" ones like the PCA.)
It's not like our only alternatives are embrace the KKK or crucify it. Where is people's sense of reserve, of sangfroid, of gamesmanship --where is subtlety, where is humor? Where are BASIC DEFENSE MECHANISMS? Perhaps some of you need to meet a great statesman from South Carolina who has photographs all over his office suite of himself shaking hands (or hanging out) with neocon golems like Reagan, Dan Quayle, Bush-41 et al -- all signed by them, virtually a who's who of Republican power over the past 25 years, pics snapped on the campaign trail in his own many runs for office. One day I finally asked him "So Jack [not his real name], you hating the `new world order' as you do and everything, how is it you're so friendly with these people?"
His ingenious reply as to these former Presidents et al -- imagine it if you will in a classic, un-Reconstructed, very matter-of-fact Southern accent: "Ah'm jest usin' 'em."
For that matter, here's how I did it in an NBC-TV news interview when we (SC Council of Conservative Citizens) picketed Wofford College as they gave Morris Deez an honorary doctorate. From the CofCC's national newspaper, the Citizens Informer:
<A name=top></A>"What's your point in being here today?" she asked.
"We're here to send a message that Morris Dees and the SPLC aren't what they appear to be, and are doing a great deal of damage in education, government, and elsewhere," I said, the best I can recall.
"Why are you holding the Confederate flag?"
"Because it's under attack from your friend Dees, and we have a right to free display of the emblem."
"What about people it offends - those who say it tends to bring hate?"
"I'll say it does - Dees hates us, and he's trying to herd us into a ghetto!"
"Don't you feel there's a real problem with bigotry and white supremacy? Don't you support efforts to deal with these problems?"
"We support truth, and we're more concerned about black and brown and yellow supremacy, for instance in the case of the gangs that are ruling the streets and sidewalks in our cities today."
<A name=top></A>"What does your organization have to say them about the Ku Kux Klan, neo-Nazis, white Nations and so forth? What's your position on them?"
"We don't have a position. They're them and we're us."
</DIV></DIV>Edited by: nelson