This just in -- a variously touching/funny/sad pome, attributed to James Hilary Mulligan (1844-1916)......... I recently got a slightlyout-of-date chart showing areas of the country and the percentage of people in each who were born in America. Kentucky won the prize. I believe a check of its various cities and counties will show they're among the w-h-i-t-e-s-t anywhere, on average. Are KY and TN inthe perfect location -- too far south to be Northernoidal, too far from ameriKa's eastern, southern, and western borders to be very "diverse"?
The moonlight falls the softest, In Kentucky.
The summer days come oftest, In Kentucky.
Friendship is the strongest,
Love's light glows the longest,
Yet, wrong is always wrongest,
Life's burdens bear the lightest, In Kentucky.
The home fires burnthe brightest, In Kentucky.
While players are the keenest,
Cards come out the meanest,
The pocket empties cleanest,
The sun shines ever brightest, In Kentucky.
The breezes whisper lightest, In Kentucky.
Plain girls are the fewest,
Their little hearts are truest,
Orators are the grandest, In Kentucky.
Officials are the blandest, In Kentucky.
Boys are all the fliest,
Danger ever nighest,
Taxes are the highest,
The blue grass waves the bluest, In Kentucky.
Yet, bluebloods are the fewest, In Kentucky.
Moonshine is the clearest,
By no means the dearest,
And yet, it acts the queerest,
The dove notes are the saddest, In Kentucky.
The streams dance on the gladdest In Kentucky.
Hip pockets are the thickest,
Pistol hands the slickest,
The cylinder turns quickest,
The song birds are the sweetest, In Kentucky.
The thoroughbreds are fleetest, In Kentucky.
Mountains tower proudest,
Thunder peals the loudest,
The landscape is the grandest,
And politics - the damndest,
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LATER........ constructive ferment in SHNV:
<DIV>From: OldPolitico@cs.com </DIV>
<<<Kentucky was a state in the Union, not the Confederacy. By strict definition and by whatever means it was accomplished the fact remains that Kentucky was a Union state no matter how your personal feelings my sway you.
<DIV>Isn't it rather perverse to let winners write the history on this point and not some others. My recollection is that Kentucky's legislature voted for neutrality and threatened to enforce that decision be taking up the other side if one side used force against her. </DIV>
<DIV>That bit of history, along with the story of how force was used to pretend that Maryland (where Lincoln got only about 2% of the vote in 1860) and Missouri were willing participants on the Union side, needs to be told. As does the story of all the northern newspapers that were shuttered by order of the Lincoln gang. We ought not to rest until the name of Lincoln arouses the same disgust as that of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc. </DIV>
<DIV>J. Keen Holland</DIV>
KENTUCKY--THE 13th CONFEDERATE STATE </DIV>
<DIV>From: firstname.lastname@example.org </DIV>
<DIV>Mr. Kelly--Your feeble attempt to defend your personal feelings (opinion) with no documented facts is just that, feeble. Kentucky was, is, and will be forever, SOUTHERN. It is plain that you will not ad-here to your own statements--"The first law of the historian is that he shall never dare utter an untruth. The second is that he shall suppress nothing that is true. Moreover, there shall be no suspicion of partiality in his writing, or of malice." - Cicero (106-43 B.C.) We simply ask that all act upon the facts of history."</DIV>
<DIV>Col. Kelly, using your flawed logic, many other Confederate States might be considered UNION states. Tennessee being in a similar state of occupation from early in the war, might also fall into your definition of a UNION state.It may be time for you to devote your time to the defense of Gen. Forrest, where you do a excellence job. Please leave the defense of Kentucky to those who love her SOUTHERN ways.
PS--how did the SOUTHERN state of KENTUCKY contribute to the building of most of the CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS?
FRED C. WILHITE
Forrest's-Orphans Camp # 1744
PO BOX 10
Calhoun, KY. 42327
Future home of Forrest's-Orphans Museum Library</DIV>Edited by: nelson
This just in -- thanks, Clint, just great! (New readers, please see the above as well.)
<DIV id=RTEContent>Dear Chuck and readers,</DIV>
<DIV>It never ceases to amaze me how fellow Southerners try to deny the fact that Kentucky and Missouri were Confederate States.</DIV>
<DIV>For those who have made statements that Kentucky was a Union state, I suggest reading the following historical links from the Southern Independence Party of Kentucky:</DIV>
<DIV>The Kentucky Document of Secession:</DIV>
<DIV> http://www.kentuckysip.homestead.com...tucky_Document _of_Secession.htm</DIV>
<DIV align=left>Kentucky Governor Magoffin's Response to the Commissioner from Alabama</DIV>
<DIV align=left>(Transcribed and proofed from The War of the Rebellion: A Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies, Series IV, vol. I, pp. 11-15.)</DIV>
<DIV align=left>Kentucky's petition for admission into the CSA:</DIV>
<DIV align=left>Also please also take the time to review the following links that prove that Missouri was a Confederate State:</DIV>
<DIV align=left>Kentucky and Missouri were Confederate States, they were victims of (in modern terms) "Regime Change". </DIV>
<DIV align=left>For Freedom and Missouri,</DIV>
<DIV align=left>Clint E. Lacy</DIV></DIV></DIV>
And now a commentary on "The First State" from a young man who lives there. Remember, please, that we don't hate the North or Northerners as a class -- we merely decry Yankees, i.e. messianic liberal do-gooder Northern scum hypocrites bent on changing everybody to be like themselves, and ask that history be set straight as to their geopolitical and ideological track record.
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 02:26:57 EST
Delaware really a Confederate State
By Michael Parag
Many times when I have been discussing the War of Northern Aggression, and have been asked which side I'm for, they say you're in the wrong state; this is Delaware. Delaware is a Union State -- or so they say. With this article I hope to show just where Delaware's loyalty lay.
Delaware is above the Mason-Dixon line, but it's not really north, it's more of an eastern direction. Delaware did not vote with the North. In the election of 1860 John C. Breckinridge carried all three counties with a statewide vote of nearly 48%. "Honest Abe" came in third with only 23%. It was one of eleven states, all Southern, who voted for John C. Breckinridge. In 1864, it was one of three states to vote for McClellan, the anti-war Democrat.
After South Carolina seceded in 1860, the city of Wilmington fired a hundred-gun salute. Delaware's Governor William Burton was pro-secessionist, but was careful and thought that Delaware should wait until Maryland and Virginia had seceded. When secessionist militias were beginning to form in Delaware, Governor Burton looked away while they supplied themselves with weapons from the armories. When the Federal troops occupied Delaware they found most of the armories empty.
The Federal Government was fearful Delaware would secede, so the state was held under martial law. Henry Dickerson, a judge from Mississippi, came to Delaware as representative of the Confederacy and reported "The Governor, officers of the State, and six-sevenths of the people of Delaware are cordially with Mississippi in the Southern cause." Delaware's two senators, James A. Bayard and Willard Salisbury, were pro-Southern. Lincoln jailed both Senator Bayard and his son Thomas for speaking out on the South's behalf. Delaware was fearful it would become a battlefield since it was the Northern-most slaveholding state. That fear is one reason Delaware never seceded.
A book called The South by B.C. Hall and C.T. Wood says, "Seemingly the only thing that makes Delaware a `Southern' state is that it held slaves longer than any of the Confederate states. Delaware didn't free its slaves until it ratified the Thirteenth Amendment, well after the Civil War had ended. Delaware more than sympathized with the Southern cause, mainly because of its stand on states' rights, and even after the war Delaware continued to vote with the solid-South bloc until sometime around the beginning of the twentieth century when this confused little blip on the coast of the Atlantic finally decided it wasn't really Southern after all." Any one want to tell me I'm in the wrong state? I think the evidence shows if you're for the north and a Delawarean you're in the wrong state. I believe I have shown plenty of reasons that Delaware's loyalty was with the Confederacy.
LATER. Affirmation of thisgeneral theme -- in an understandablyroundabout sort of way way -- from a most unusual direction.
Way Down South in Delaware?
It was wholly a pleasure to receive your lesson in the Southernness of the great (if small) State of Delaware. And I confess to having had a little fun - okay, a lot of fun - at Joe Biden's expense when he described his state as Southern.
Senator Biden's geography may have been be a bit off, but I've got to admit his timing was impeccable. The first Southern presidential primaries will soon be upon us.
I am indebted to you, as a former resident of Delaware, for letting me in on Delaware's Southern character. I know you're not just whistling Dixie, but the whole idea doesn't sound quite right: Way down South in Delaware?
Of course, geography can be misleading. Florida, for example, may be just about the southernmost of the states, but that scarcely makes it the most Southern.
Senator Biden points out that Delaware was a slave state in antebellum times, but being a slave state doesn't equate with being a Southern state. Else, other border states - like Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and even West Virginia - would have been unequivocally rather than only peripherally Southern during The War.
"Today's Delawareans," you claim, "are still quite bigoted and racist and quite supportive of the Ku Klux Klan." As if this made them Southern rather than just hateful. But I can see why, holding such an impression of the state, you chose to leave.
Even if your unflattering description of Delaware were accurate, a compendium of all-too-Southern sins scarcely makes a state Southern, any more than having a caste system makes India an extension of Dixie.
We live in a time when being Southern has become the fashion. Every family now seems to boast a Southerner in the woodpile - much like half of Arkansas claiming to be Cherokee. It's quite the thing. And now Delaware turns out to be a Southern state. To quote a line from "Southland in the Springtime" by the Indigo Girls, "When God made me born a Yankee he was teasin'�."
I have no doubt that many Delawareans think of themselves as Southern, and probably make a lot bigger deal of it than folks in the heart of Dixie. That kind of self-consciousness is a common phenomenon on the periphery of any ethnic culture. Or in its diaspora. Is anyone more aware of being Southern than the Southerner transplanted to, say, New York?...............
Edited by: nelson
Hoorah to Mr. Parag on his truthful article! How ignorant most sheeple are when it comes to the fact of the northern states not abolishing slavery until the end of 1865, well after it ended in the South. So many truths being hidden. I say its time to uncover them and make them known to the world! Edited by: Colonel_Reb
I trust you all know this gentleman from his content at our homepage. A very important subject, MO's regional identification!
From: clint lacy <email@example.com>
Subject: So you don't think Missouri was a Confederate State?
Date: Feb 2, 2006 5:05 PM
I have put together a webpage which proves Missouri was a Confederate state. Much of the information was found at the excellent online encyclopedia site "Wikipedia".
You can access the page by clicking on the link below:
For Freedom and Missouri,
New Jersey -- the "Garden (of Evil) State"?
More NJ horror stories please! And for an occasional diversion, it's http://weirdnj.com/misc/main.asp
The Eminent Domain Of The James Gang
I have, on many an occasion, lambasted the astonishing and egregious corruption readily evident in my current state of residence, New Jersey. I have frequently opined that the "Garden State" would be much better described as the "Garden of Evil" State. And in this Garden of Evil, there are many lesser government entities displaying unique and creative forays into the lucrative fertile territory of payoffs, bribes and political fixes that create fortunes for the corrupt elected politicians in the Garden of Evil.
The City of Newark is just such a bastion of evil and corruption. Like the City of Washington D.C., one unimpeachable and unaccountable individual continues to reign unchallenged due to his racial advantage in opposing white honkies. The result is a black leader in the image of a Reverend Jesse Jackson, who can extort and manipulate his way to untold wealth by threatening major corporations with the trump card of racial discrimination.
Against a similar backdrop of political racial "justice," demonstrated by the D.C. outrage of a Marion Barry, a similar outrage is also sanctioned by the majority of black folks in Newark, New Jersey. Mayor Sharpe James, and his administration of extremely questionable morals and integrity, is firmly entrenched as "mayor for life" in the City of Newark. Even a decent black challenger, evidencing refreshing moral commitment and integrity, offered no real challenge in recent elections to the entrenched and invulnerable political machine of Newark's mayor, Sharpe James.
On December 4, 2005, investigative reporter Ian T. Shearn, writing for New Jersey's leading newspaper, the Star-Ledger, in an article entitled, "In city's housing boom, a select few cash in," Shearn examines the real estate manipulations that signal the injustices that await all private property real estate owners in America. Considering New Jersey's leadership in American political corruption, shades of things to come can be anticipated by the real estate scams demonstrated in the Garden of Evil State..............
I thought I hadput up a bunch of stuff on MIssissippi as the ultimately greatest and most lied-about state.* Till it turns up, here's a great SHNV message from MS, the Magnolia State. One doesn't know whether to post it here, under Action reports!, or underLIBERALS & MINORITIES WHO BREAK THE MOLD-- it's a smash in all three categories.
I won't say it's impossible to imagine this item coming out of any other state but Mississippi (even mine -- SC), butit could be easier.
MS Division - Memorial Service at Beauvoir a Success
<DIV>From: SOUCOM@aol.com </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" ="Msonormal">The following report on the Confederate Memorial Service held yesterday at Beauvoir is forwarded by Compatriot Jim Huffman of Picayune.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" ="Msonormal">=====================</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" ="Msonormal">Over two-hundred people attend today's fantastic Confederate Memorial Day festivities at Beauvoir!
The festivities were organized by Sam Davis Camp Comdr. Hon. Wallace Mason, with predictably wonderful results! Wallace had help from the various Members of the Memorial Committee, but he carried the main load, no matter what he says!
MC Hon. Rick Forte, Chairman of the Combined Boards of Beauvoir, welcomed the crowd.
The colors were posted by two groups: the MS Division color guard and the color guard from the Mississippi State Guard, a little-known State military organization that is a part of the MS National Guard. These guys have been coming out and posting the colors at Beauvoir events for several years, and they deserve a hearty round of applause!
MS Div. Chaplain Hon. Cecil Fayard made very cogent remarks.
MS Div. Comdr. Ed Funchess gave an appropriate, emotional, and very Confederate opening statement.
Grady Howell gave a truly stirring memorial address, complete with many quotes from MS soldiers about why they went to war and, when mortally wounded, what their thoughts were on sacrificing their lives for their new country. Grady hit a big league home-run with his speech!
A period family string band from the Mobile area entertained the crowd with moving period music, including a moving version of "Dixie"!
Some thirty or more MS Division Camps and other Confederate Heritage organizations brought wreaths to lay at the tomb of the Unknown Confederate Soldier. The fabulous Johnny Wooten directed the laying of the wreaths.
Obviously, the Camps of the MS Division answered Comdr. Funchess' and Communications Officer John Echols' calls to make a special effort to attend this year's Confederate Memorial Day at Beauvoir!
We had a full rifle squad, commanded by Capt. Paul Marshall of Brookhaven, which fired three impressive volleys in honor of our Confederate Patriots.
The talented Josh Teasley of Copiah's Pettus Relief Camp moved us all with a heartfelt rendition of "Taps." Josh is the lead trumpet player for the Co-Lin Community College stage band!!! No wonder he sounds so fantastic!!!
After some refreshments, provided by the Sam Davis Camp, the Hon. Rick Forte led the assemblage (very cautiously) around the area of Beauvoir House and the Presidential Library, pointing out both the damage and the various efforts being made to restore the property. This was a most moving and emotional walk.
WLOX ran a really great report on Confederate Memorial Day at Beauvoir tonight on it's 10 PM news. To see a very much abbreviated text version of Ms. Karla Redditte's report on the day, go to http://wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=4805379. WLOX often adds its video reports to its website, so check over the next few days at http://www.wlox.com/ to see if the actual video report is online.
Please send a complimentary email to Ms. Redditte at: firstname.lastname@example.org. Karla is an African-American anchor/reporter for WLOX who has covered Confederate Heritage events for the station for years in a completely unbiased and professional manner. She is a fantastic reporter in this area and all the other types of stories she handles for the station. Please compliment her for her great coverage of our event!
Many thanks to everyone for coming out today and making this such a special and touching Confederate Memorial Day at Beauvoir! </DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" ="Msonormal">Jim Huffman
Gainesville Vols, SCV Camp 373
Pearl River County, MS
<DIV>* LATER: Oh yeah, here it is --</DIV>
<DIV>LATER. Someone's beautiful idea of showing off what is quite possibly the best State in the lot. PoP is SHNV Webmaster Tommy Aaron.</DIV>
<DIV>"History Markers Of Mississippi"
Eddie Richardson has done an awesome job of research on this site.
Give it a visit, you'll be glad ya did!...PoP</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Edited by: nelson
That's a great story. The idiots in New Orleans could learn a lot by looking east to their neighbors on how rebuilding should go. Sadly, I have never been to Beauvoir, but as soon as I am able, I will be making the trip and donating some more money to the rebuilding effort there. Mississippi SCV members used to be able to stay there for practically nothing for one night, as long as you called ahead of time. It really is a unique place, and I hope it will only be better when the restoration is complete. Edited by: Colonel_Reb
"The Confederate Memorial in Indian Mound Cemetery at Romney, West Virginia is considered the first official memorial to Confederate dead to be erected anywhere in the United States of America..........it had to be brought in secretly. Shortly after the Civil War, Federal law prevented any monuments being made that would honor the Confederate States of America. The monument was brought into the county at night and then had its commemorative words chiseled in on location, so as to avoid the possibility of being seized in transit from where it was created."
"Jackson's Mill - Clarksburg, West Virginia (boyhood home of Gen. Jackson)"
Yeah, despotism and discrimination reigned during that time. Even today there is much official discrimination against the Confederacy by the US so called government.
Jus in by email..........
A South Carolina prayer
Bless this house, oh Lord, we cry.
Please keep it cool in mid-July.
Bless the walls where termites dine, While great big roaches march in time.
Bless our yard where spiders pass
Fire ant castles in the grass.
Bless the garage, a home to please Carpenter beetles, ticks and fleas.
Bless the Jap. Beatles, two by two, The gnats and mosquitoes that feed on you.
Millions of creatures that fly or crawl, In SC, Lord, you've put them all!!
But this is home, and here we'll stay, So thank you Lord, for insect spray.
HOLD IT.......there's more.............
YOU KNOW YOU ARE IN South Carolina in JULY when. . . . The birds have to use potholders to pull worms out of the ground.
The best parking place is determined by shade instead of distance.
Hot water now comes out of both taps.
You can make sun tea instantly.
You learn that a seat belt buckle makes a pretty good branding iron.
The temperature drops below 95 and you feel a little chilly.
You discover that in July it only takes 2 fingers to steer your car.
You break into a sweat the instant you step outside at 7:30 a.m.
You realize that asphalt has a liquid state.
The potatoes cook underground, so all you have to do is pull one out and add butter, salt and pepper.
Farmers are feeding their chickens crushed ice to keep them from laying boiled eggs.
The cows are giving evaporated milk.
Ah, what a place to call home.
God Bless Our State of South Carolina
Edited by: nelson
I'm laughing my head off at those![img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]How true they are. People that live in the western desert get one kind of heat, but we here in the South have a totally different kind of heat. Edited by: Colonel_Reb
More on Delaware! "If a state were on trial for being Southern, would there be enough evidence to convict her?" I think so.
These newspaper writers -- they were born on some other planet where it's inconceivable that a negro would ever actually feel honest love and loyalty toward the Southland. Anybody native to planet Earth would have to see the real slave problem here is statist tyranny which always means decent people being put in chains.
The odd lives and deaths of Del. Confederates
Records of the Delawareans who served in the Confederate armed forces are difficult to find, and personal accounts are rare.
But they came from throughout Delaware, upstate and down, and their experiences were varied. And, in an irony of history, one of them was black.
Two Delawareans served aboard the fabled Confederate raider CSS Alabama -- Russell B. Hobbs and David White.
Hobbs, a Sussex County native and the great-great-grandfather of Dover physician Dr. E.D. Bryan, was the Alabama's quartermaster.
Hobbs was one of about 50 men who were rescued from the ship when it was sunk off Cherbourg, France, by the USS Kearsarge in June 1864. Although he took the oath of allegiance to the Union, Hobbs was arrested on a southbound train in Dover later that year and imprisoned without trial for a year before being pardoned by President Andrew Johnson.
The other Delawarean aboard had a far more curious tale to tell -- had he lived to tell it.
White was a slave from Georgetown who was traveling with his owner on a commercial ship that was captured by the Alabama near the Azores on Oct. 9, 1862. He was taken aboard the Alabama as "contraband."
Lt. Arthur Sinclair, an officer aboard the Confederate raider, wrote in his memoirs that White, who was about 17 or 18, was "not only willing but anxious to ship. The natural instincts of the lad told him we would be his friends. He knew Southern gentlemen on sight."
Former slave loyal to crew
White received a full sailor's pay as a mess steward, and when the Alabama stopped in neutral ports for fuel and provisions he would go ashore -- where he showed his loyalty in a manner that modern Americans might find difficult to understand.
"It was his privilege to go on shore with the ward-room steward to market," Sinclair wrote, "and on all occasions the American consul or his satellites would use all their eloquence to persuade Dave to desert his ship, reminding him of his present condition of slavery and the chance presented of throwing off his shackles, but Dave remained loyal in face of all temptation."
White's loyalty to his Confederate shipmates did not end there. When the Alabama was sinking, White stayed on board, leaving space on the lifeboat for someone else.
"... Poor little Dave could have saved his life by the mere mention that he was unable to swim," Sinclair wrote.
Samuel Batson Hearn is one of the few Delaware Confederates known to have recorded his story for his descendants.
A Delmar resident, Hearn very nearly was hanged as a Rebel spy when he slipped home to Delaware to visit family in 1864.
"I left my home near Delmar, Delaware, August 19th, 1862, to join the Confederate Army," Hearn wrote in "Memoirs of Our Father, Battalion of Maryland Cavalry."
Hearn and 12 companions crossed the Chesapeake Bay and arrived in Richmond, Va., three days later. He joined the 1st Battalion of Maryland Cavalry and fought in major battles that included Gettysburg, Brandy Station and Second Manassas.
In February 1864, he and a friend slipped across enemy lines and returned to Delaware, where Hearn spent 10 days with his parents.
But Hearn was captured by Union gunboats when he tried to cross the Chesapeake to return to his command, and he was thrown in jail in Baltimore, tried and convicted of being a spy. He was sentenced to hang on Aug. 28, 1864.
Hearn's sentence was commuted by President Abraham Lincoln the day he was scheduled to hang and he was sent to a penitentiary in Albany, N.Y.
"I had almost commenced to feel the rough hangman's rope around my neck," he wrote.
Edited by: nelson
Wow! What a testimony on behalf of that black Confederate. You can bet your britches that there were more than just 1 black from that state fighting on the right side.
Jackie Dolby, a New York state heroine of the Southern cause, sends this list. No idea how much is original....... but it's all true!
THINGS I HAVE LEARNED LIVING IN SOUTH CAROLINA:
>1. Possums sleep in the middle of the road with their feet in the air
>2. There are 5,000 types of snakes and 4,998 of them live in SOUTH CAROLINA.
>3. There are 10,000 types of spiders. All 10,000 of them live in SOUTH CAROLINA, plus a couple no one's seen before.
>4. If it grows, it sticks; If it crawls, it bites.
>5. "Onced" and "Twiced" are words.
>6. It is not a Shopping cart, it is a buggy.
>7. Fire ants consider your flesh as a picnic.
>8. People actually grow and eat okra.
>9. "Fixinto" is one word.
>10. There is no such thing as "lunch". There is only dinner and then there is supper.
>11. Ice tea is appropriate for all meals and you start drinking it when you're two. We do like a little tea with our sugar!
>12. Backards and forwards means "I know everything about you."
>13. The word "Jeet" is actually a phrase meaning "Did you eat?"
>14. You don't have to wear a watch because it doesn't matter what time it is. You work until you' re done or it's too dark to see.
>15. You don't PUSH buttons, you MASH them.
>YOU KNOW YOU'RE FROM SOUTH CAROLINA IF:
>1. You measure distance in minutes.
>2. You've ever had to switch from "heat" to "A/C" in the same day.
>3. You use "fix" as a verb. For example: "I'm fixing to go to the store "
>4. All the festivals across the state are named after a fruit, vegetable, grain, insect or animal.
>5. You install security lights on your house and garage, then leave both unlocked.
>6. You know what a "DAWG" is.
>7. You carry jumper cables in your car ... For your OWN car.
>8. You only own five spices: salt, pepper, Texas Pete, Tabasco and ketchup.
>9. The local papers cover national and international news on one page, but require 6 pages for local gossip and sports.
>10. You think that the first day of deer season is a national holiday.
>11. You find 100 degrees Fahrenheit "a little warm".
>12. You know all four seasons: Almost Summer, Summer, still Summer and Christmas.
>13. Going to Wal-mart is a favorite past time known as "goin' Wal-martin" or off to "Wally World" ... Mall Mart.
>14. You describe the first cool snap (below 70 degrees) as good Gumbo weather.
>15. A carbonated soft drink isn't a soda, cola or pop .. it's a Coke, regardless of brand or flavor. For example: "What kinda coke you want?"
>16. Fried catfish is the other white meat.
>17. We don't need no stinking driver's Ed. If our mama says we can drive, we can drive.
>18. You understand these jokes and forward them to your friends from South Carolina (and those who just wish they were). Not EVERYONE can be a SOUTH CAROLINIAN, it's an art form and a gift from God! AMEN!!!!!
Here is a book excerpt from The Lost Cause by Edwain
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=9693 The basic argument is that there is a basic division between the Northerners and the Southerners is that they are two very different peoples. The view of the Yankees that he describes is very much the worldview of the USA today.
He said "The civilization of the North was coarse and materialistic." With the key word being
"materialistic." "…this boastful disposition of mind, this exaggerated conceit was peculiarly Yankee." "It was Yankee orators who …spoke of the Union as the last, best gift to man." "…the North worshipped the Union in a very low, commercial sense; it was the source of boundless profit…" "materialistic", "conceit", "best gift to man" Union "commercial sense". All these words and more are still use to describe the U.S. elite worldview. He also pointed out that the Yankees had an inferiority complex. Of course, they would have an inferiority complex if they view the world solely materialistically. No matter how much one gains without concern for other people they are lacking something. The North appears to have been lead by a Merchant Caste whereas the old South was lead by the natural Aristocracy and a Warrior Caste. The worldview between the two systems is with Merchant is the government is there to help the businesses get bigger and with the old South government was to serve and protect the people. The Southern manners are based on the worldview that your people are important and matter whereas the Northern view (current U.S. Government view) is that people are an economic unit and anyone can join if they are greedy enough.
The South did make one very serious mistake it wasn’t slavery it was importing non-whites into our lands. It does not matter rather they are "free" or "slaves" and sometimes the line between the two words are very blurry. Interesting how some of the arguments for slavery and importing non-whites today are so similar like Africans were suppose to do jobs Whites couldn’t which was disproved at the time by someone pointing out that in New Orleans blacks were mostly house slaves and Whites worked outside. The wealth that would have been created without non-whites would be far greater than the wealth created with them for non-whites in a society are a luxury that makes the rich richer but cost the middle and working class people.
The real world probably even in the 1860’s was more complex than the excerpt indicated with there being at least three major divisions in the USA Yankee, Confederate and in between area that doesn’t have a name maybe they are the real "Americans" and many ethic groups both White and non-white. The Yankee’s Natural Aristocracy (Racial Nationalists) are even different from the South Racial Nationalist which what it means for the future is an open ended question.
Interesting excerpt Michael. I'll have to read that book sometime. I get to many ideas for reads on this site![img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]If I only had time to read them all.
Prof. Clyde Wilson of USC is making a specialty of this topic at present -- "the Yankee problem" -- and agrees with you 100%. In case I didn't already say so somewhere in the Forum, his speech to that effect became a cover story in Southern Partisan magazine, with absolutely priceless color cartoon of Teddy Kennedy as the embodiment of this psychosis. He's sitting under a tree in a colonial New Englander costume surrounded by empty liquor bottles, looking drunk as a skunk.
And please remember, gang, that New England imported the great majority of slaves -- as I've tried to demonstrate with ample help from the mass media in the Forum and in the NaTimes. Big, huge, exciting development in the winding, crooked* history of PC!
* 1. Having or marked by bends, curves, or angles.
2. Dishonest or unscrupulous; fraudulent.
Overthrow.com listed the author as Edwain A Pollard everywhere else seems to list the author as Edward Albert Pollard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Albert_Pollard I suspect a mistake at Overthrow.com. Sorry I didn’t check it earlier. On history that site is usually at good source and it is in this case except it appears to be a minor typo.
Looks like LewRockwell.com has a good number of articles by Clyde Wilson
http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson/wilson-arch.html Looks like some very interesting reading have to check it out sometime.
nice little pome just in from SHNV ............... and it's really too true to be funny. these people -- yankees, i mean, not Northerners per se -- are just impossible. their sheer smugness is only equaled by their jarring ignorance and gauchery. That goes for the retired captains of industry and profs fro Ruptures Jewniversity or whatever, every bit as much as your young working people. no, it's 10 times more with the "educated" sort! or 20!
two galling cases have come to pass around me within just the last two hours. wish i had time to form words around 'em. you know, if you so much as listen to Northern and Western accents (especially the various Northeastern ones) the smugnorance just oozes out of their very modes of speaking.
they are extremely, profoundly smug, and extremely, profoundly ignorant.
dear me, i hope that doesn't sound too "judgmental" !!!!!!
<DIV>From: VictrolaMn@aol.com </DIV>
Oh, I wish they weren't in the land of cotton,
yankees here are mostly rotten,
Go away!, Go away!, Go away!
from Dixie Land.</DIV>
<DIV>In Dixie Land, where they weren't born,
their yankee bull crap makes us mourn,
Go away!, Go away!, Go away!
from Dixie Land.</DIV>
<DIV>I wish they weren't in Dixie, Go Away! Go Away!
In Dixie Land I'll make my plans,
to drive them out of Dixie.
Go away!, Go away!, Go away from our South in Dixie.
Go away!, Go away!, Go away from our South in Dixie. </DIV>
<DIV>Then hoe it down and scratch your gravel,
95 north's the way to travel,
Go away!, Go away!, Go away!
from Dixie Land.</DIV>
The Confederate flag flies in the face of our most deeply held American values - diversity, equality and inclusion.
-Wesley Clark (2004 Democratic Presidential Candidate)-</DIV>
You might be a Yankee if...
Your socks match your "outfit".</DIV>
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