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Now perhaps I can be permitted to open a discussion about one of those topics which is touchy even among those right of center: the war of the Catholic church on civilization. As ever, the institution is far more commie than the people who fill its pews and pay its bills, so this is not an attack on Catholics per se. But the Church's push toward the leftist agenda is appalling.


Most egregiously at this moment it's pushing, pushing, pushing people to accept and love the alien tidal wave -- as covered well by the article below. It mentions a certain bishop's dogging of the faithful to "welcome the stranger" -- religionese for "pretend you love the invasion." And this seems to bethe mantra they're dinning into the heads of Catholic pew-warmers. I play music in Catholic churches here in SC and this phrase is repeated ad nauseam in the prayers of the day.


You would think people would at some point demand to know what the phrase "always welcome the stranger" is driving at, or -- facing the obvious -- go to the priest and demand to know where he's planning to live once his own town is indistinguishable from Guadalajara, Mexico. But no, it never happens. The week that the NM and AZ governors were finally pushed to demanding that the fedgov seal the border, not only did the prayers in church bleated this junk again but the priest did too, in a voice that sneered purest contempt for the well-known will of the people. He didn't dare openly "mix religion and politics," of course, but it's obvious what he was getting at.


All the big church denominations are about equally communist now. The RCC's distinction is that it gets to swing its influence over half the globe or more, with most of its adherents paying it absolute, unflinching, unquestioning loyalty.


http://www.michnews.com/artman/publi...ter_9118.shtml


.....................The Catholic Church 'Aids and Abets' Illegal Aliens:


Why do religious institutions, like the Catholic Church defy our immigration laws? Why do they disobey our laws, by enabling millions upon millions of illegal aliens to enter, live and work in America? Do they do so in order to 'feel good' about what they see as their 'Christian duty'? Why do pious people of the Catholic faith believe it is okay for them to defy our laws, which were created to protect and defend our country and its populous? Do they feel that they are above the law? By their example, does that mean that it is okay the rest of us to disobey other laws, as we chose? As you will find below, the 'Catholic Church' does believe that they are ABOVE AND BEYOND THE LAW!


Most unfortunately, you will also find that the Catholic Church and Charities and many, many of their misguided parishioners are collectively the largest and most blatant illegal alien enablers in this country. They are citizens of the United States who, in direct violation of our federal immigration laws, enable illegal aliens to enter, live and work here in America! Everything they do in the name of their 'Christian beliefs' is done in defiance of our immigration laws and without any concern for the harm they are causing the rest of us hard-working, honest, law-abiding, mostly Christian Americans. What they do, by definition, makes them traitors, guilty of treason because they betray their country, and countrymen in order to promote an agenda of aiding and abetting illegal aliens, in direct contravention of our laws.


It is particularly egregious for the Catholic Church and Charities to ignore our immigration laws when it results in such damaging negative effects on the 'quality of life' for the rest of us Americans. What a shameful example they provide for us and our children. Any sanctimonious justifications they might give for their illegal behavior, is unacceptable! What they do, fosters anarchy and chaos, which impacts ALL Americans. Apparently Catholics and other religious organizations who join them, believe they are 'special' people,' when in fact they are criminals who are shamefully and erroneously justifying their behavior by sacrilegiously cloaking themselves in the mantle of Christianity and biblical mantras. Next you will find the list of our immigration laws they willfully and unconscionably defy, with their outrageous illegal behavior!


How to Stop the Massive Illegal Alien Invasion:


Enforce Our Immigration Laws, Which are as Follows: It is illegal to "encourage or induce an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law." 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv). Federal immigration laws also make it unlawful to aid or abet the commission of such acts. 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(A)(v)(II). It is also unlawful to conceal or attempt to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, illegal aliens, including any building or any means of transportation. 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(A)(iii), and that it is illegal to "engage in any conspiracy to commit any of the preceding acts." 8 U.S.C. § 1324(a)(1)(A)(v)(I).(31)


How the Catholic Church 'Aids and Abets' Illegal Aliens:


In May, 2005, the "U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops announced . . . that the it will 'add the voice of the Catholic Church' to the call for a guest-worker program, and a path to citizenship for illegal aliens in the United States."(32) To support that goal the Catholic Church's 'Migration and Refugee Services' has launched a controversial campaign called 'Justice for Immigrants.' However it seems that their campaign apparently does not include obeying the immigration laws of our country! "The campaign hopes to use God's law to replace U.S. Immigration law. The church also wants lawmakers to develop a plan to help bring their families to the U.S. as well."(33)


Do the math! That means if there are 18-20 million illegal aliens here now, that figure of potential influx could quadruple to 80 million if their families are brought in under the 'family reunification's plan that the Catholic Church espouses. In a country where the number of current legal citizens is 392 million . . . those numbers are a demographically overwhelming! Of course that does not include the 'anchor babies' they will also produce! To understand the depravity of this Catholic dogma, read on . . .


1. Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, the archbishop of Washington, according to the Washington Times, in May of 2005, said that "religious teachings justify aiding illegal aliens" . . . "We go right to the New Testament and say, him or her who is without sin cast the first stone. How many of us have not violated some laws, whatever they might have been -- either they're traffic laws or immigration laws or tax laws, something like that."(32)


Perhaps some have occasionally cheated and done one, or all of the above. Does that justify the call by an archbishop of the Catholic Church to promote and deliberately ignore United States immigration laws? How outrageous can you get? Apparently 'Justice for [Illegal] Immigrants' includes the unspoken mandate of 'In-Justice for Honest, Law-Abiding American Citizens!'


2. What Cardinal McCarrick is advocating, has long been a policy of the Catholic Church. One that encourages Catholics to, blatantly and with impunity, openly defy our immigration laws. How can the Catholic Church so outrageously announce their defiance of our laws? Could it be that they have a need to fill their church pews and parochial schools with the hordes of illegal alien Hispanic/Latinos arriving here daily, who are predominately Catholic, in order to "breathe new life into [their] parishes" and to "swell [the] local ranks of Catholics?"(34)(35)


Did you know that . . . "nearly 40 percent of the Catholics living in the Untied States are Hispanic, making the constituency a highly important one for the church."(36) Did you know that the Hispanic/Latino population growth rates for some counties in the southeastern United States has exceeded a growth of 500 to 1,000 percent between 1990 and 2000!(27)


In their 'blind ambition' for denominational dominance and economic resuscitation, has the Catholic Church slipped into the abyss of moral turpitude? Has the Catholic Church given up all pretense of holding to 'moral Christian ethics' in order to achieve greater attendance in their schools and churches? Could that explain everything?


3. Or, is it all about a One World Order? At the first Binational Migration Conference, June 23, 2005, in El Paso, TX that looked at immigration and the Catholic Church where they held closed discussions and workshops with Mexico's Foreign Minister Luis Derbez, U.S. Senator John Cornyn, and Cardinal Theodore McCarrick. Don't you wonder what was discussed? Perhaps the discussion was encapsulated by the speech of McCarrick's that read . . . "our late Pope John Paul II spoke of one continent, of one America joined by common need and common solidarity. This conference is important because we must work together for the common good and to answer the needs of our time and of this new moment of globalization."(37)............................... ...
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If the followingarticle weren't true it would be a far-out Grand Guignol parody of Catholic hocus-pocus. How to explain a gruesome tale like this? Some would say that it's simply what intensive Romanism (e.g. the priesthood) does to people, and they'd point out (rightly, I'm afraid) that many of our more egregious serial killers were once Catholic altar boys.


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<DIV ="byline">CLEVELAND, May 11 — A priest was found guilty on Thursday of murdering a nun 26 years ago in what another priest testified was a ritual intended to defile the nun.</DIV>
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The defendant, the Rev. Gerald Robinson, 68, showed no emotion as the jury verdict was read in Lucas County Common Pleas Court in Toledo. Judge Thomas J. Osowik sentenced him to 15 years to life in prison.


Father Robinson's lawyer said he would appeal the verdict, which the jury handed up after seven hours of deliberations.


The body of the nun, Sister Margaret Ann Pahl, 71, was found on April 5, 1980, in the chapel at Mercy Hospital in Toledo. She had been preparing the Eucharist for Easter services. Her killer laid an altar cloth across her body before stabbing her 31 times. Nine stab wounds to the chest were in the shape of an upside-down cross.


The killing was committed by someone with deep understanding of church symbols and rituals, the Rev. Jeffrey Grob of Chicago, an expert on the occult, testified. Sister Pahl had a smear of blood across the forehead, Father Grob said, a mockery of the Last Rites of the Roman Catholic Church.


"All these things were done to have her die in the most humiliating, degrading way possible for a nun," said Dean Mandros, chief of the criminal division in the Lucas County prosecutor's office.


Prosecutors said Father Robinson had been angry about Sister Pahl's domineering personality and her complaints about how he had conducted a Good Friday service the night before the killing. Father Robinson, who presided over Sister Pahl's funeral Mass, was the primary suspect from the beginning, the authorities said.


As the priest was being questioned by detectives two weeks after the killing, Mr. Mandros said, Deputy Police Chief Ray Vetter interrupted the interview and allowed a monsignor to escort Father Robinson out of Police Headquarters.


"That upset the detectives to no end," Mr. Mandros said.


Deputy Chief Vetter also requested that detectives give him their reports on the case, Mr. Mandros said. Some of those reports were never seen again. Within a month, the case was dropped for lack of evidence. Mr. Vetter, who retired in 1986, testified this week that he was a practicing Catholic but had not been involved with the investigation.


The investigation was reopened in 2003 after a woman from Toledo approached the Toledo Diocese with accusations that a number of priests, including Father Robinson, had molested her as a child in a series of rituals, Mr. Mandros said. The accusations were sent to the prosecutor's cold case unit.


Using new forensic techniques, the authorities discovered imprints on the altar cloth that closely matched a letter opener belonging to Father Robinson that had an emblem of the United States Capitol on the side, Mr. Mandros said. They also found three witnesses who said they saw the priest near the chapel around the time of the killing.


Victims of sexual abuse accuse the diocese of a long-running effort to shield priests from prosecution.


"I'm relieved by the verdict today," said Claudia Vercelotti, who was molested by a Toledo priest as a child and is now a member of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests. "But the murder happened 26 years ago. You can't talk about this case without talking about the Catholic Church's cover-up."


Father Robinson maintained his innocence throughout the trial. With a number of the original witnesses dead and many original documents missing, his lawyer, Alan Konop, argued that prosecutors did not have a case. "The initial police investigation was very poor, and there was so much conflicting testimony," Mr. Konop said.


When Father Robinson was arrested in April 2004, he told the police on a videotape that was shown at the trial that he had been shocked to find the nun dead and shocked again when the other hospital chaplain accused him of murder.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/12/us/12priest.html?_r=2&amp; th&amp;emc=th&amp;oref=login&amp;oref=login


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<DIV align=center>Romanizing America through Illegal Immigration
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In recent weeks, the advocates of the “rights” of illegal Mexican immigrants, accompanied by and even led by Roman Catholic priests, have staged rallies, protests, and parades all across the United States of America. For instance, on March 25, 500,000 people took to the streets of Los Angeles, flying Mexican flags and chanting slogans such as “Viva Mexico!” Another 500,000 marched in Dallas on April 9, waving Mexican flags with “Our Lady of Guadalupe” emblazoned in the center. This outburst of protest was a response to several immigration and border reform measures working their way through the U.S. Congress. Due to the efforts of the Mexican government, the criminal neglect of our U.S. government, and a porous U.S.-Mexican border, there are now somewhere between eleven million and twenty million illegal immigrants in the United States of America.

I have been talking about this situation for years on my “Heart of the Matter” program because of the social, political, and most importantly, spiritual affects that the alien invasion is having on America. It is unfortunate that very few people have been concerned with the religious aspect of this issue. Over the past few years, I have spent time pointing out that the Roman Catholic Church is aiding and abetting the criminal invasion of America from Mexico because the illegals are almost all Roman Catholics. That church/state which maintains political, diplomatic relationships with the UN, the EU, the Russian Federation, the Organization for the Liberation of Palestine, and 174 nations around the globe is working both legally and criminally on behalf of a movement, the goal of which is to bring as many Mexicans into America as possible so as to eventually take over a large chunk of our nation for Mexico. This multifaceted movement, made up of radical organizations such as La Raza (The Race), Aztlan, and MEChA, is called Reconquista (Reconquest).

The leadership of the Roman Catholic Church has a stake in Reconquista. The pope and his henchmen are looking to turn America, founded and still a Protestant country, into a Roman Catholic country. But space requires that I narrow this discourse down to providing documentation of that just-made claim, which to some people makes me not only a “Catholic basher” but also a “white supremacist.” That’s what Alex Koppleman, a columnist for the Drexel University magazine Dragonfire, called me in a March 30, 2006 column in which he included this statement from an article I wrote some time ago:

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<DD>“. . . the Roman Catholic Church has its own plan of reconquest. She is determined to reestablish the power she once exercised over the civil governments and populations of the world. The pope, along with the Reconquista[/I] cadre, views South, Central, and North Americas as being one ‘from Argentina to Alaska.’ On several occasions, Pope John Paul II has ‘consecrated’ this ‘America’ to ‘Our Lady of Guadalupe.’ The Mexican people streaming across America’s porous southern border are Roman Catholics. It is in the interest of the Vatican to establish as many Roman Catholics as possible in the United States of America. The pope and his partners in spiritual crime care little how the job is done—whether illegally or legally—just so it is done.”1
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</DD></DL>That is a statement I stand by and which stands on solid ground. The Roman Catholic Church is determined to turn Protestant America into a Roman Catholic country, and her best bet to do that is to bring as many Catholics into our nation as possible............

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Now, anemail dialogue with the most articulate and passionate apologist for Romanism that I know. David Melechinsky is the son of the late, great legal activist Andrew Melechinsky.* David is also American Graphics, the firm that produces the outstanding, clear, clever, attractive socio-political bumper stickers which were part of my (and perhaps your?) introduction to the Cause through a John Birch Society bookshop.


David's writing and editing is always letter-perfect -- and as you'll detect, he'sis also a real gentleman. Wish the same could be said for our sometimes motley crew in this space (me included!!!).


The main point here is David's summation of the present state of the RCC -- a thinking Catholic's lament, in the event that that is of interest to any of you -- the top message in the stash. You see I've given him a good workout but he's more than equal to the challenge. He hasn't made me a Catholic but has made me think about it all. <?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><O:P></O:P>


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From: "David Melechinsky" &lt;dave@rosarygraphics.com&gt;
To: "Nelson Waller" &lt;nwaller@earthlink.net&gt;
Subject: RE: RWO RCC
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Tragically enough, much of what you say here is true. From the 1940s on, the Communists, in order to neutralize their most effective enemy, sent hordes of their change agents into the Catholic seminaries to become priests. Many of these are now bishops and cardinals. Those of us who know the Faith and take it seriously will have nothing to do with them. In Biblical times these things happened as well. Even Moses and King David sinned, and had to be chastised by a justly angry God. The Chosen People had to wander in the desert for forty years until the idolaters among them had all died off. This did not mean that theirs was not the true Faith of the time, but rather that they did not live up to it as they should. In the New Testament, all the Apostles but one abandoned their Master in His hour of greatest need. Peter, the first pope, denied ever having known Him. Eventually, they gained courage and returned to do great things. God has always used the weak things of the earth to manifest His glory, and to confound the proud.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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In evil times the devil is permitted to use even the strengths of the Church, including obedience, against it (and even here the “lockstep obedience” is often an illusion, as the liberals selectively enforce it only against traditional Catholic teaching, while leaving their fellow liberals “free” to violate Church Doctrine and Law. A church that does not require uniformity of belief and obedience is logically eliminated from the possibility of being the true Church founded by Christ, for Christ our Lord is the Truth, and it is in the nature of Truth to be intolerant of error. The problem we face today is that the majority of Catholics have too long been lax in the learning of their Faith, and were unprepared for the Church to be attacked from within. Thanks be to God, not all have succumbed. There are still faithful Catholic laymen and priests, but these are found almost exclusively outside the diocesan structure. We have six of these good priests here, all doing their duty. They do not have to speak of infanticide (“abortion”) other than as an obvious example of something evil. This is because they do preach against the worldliness, pride, and immodesty that lead to such evils. My own lovely Catholic housewife does not “swoon” for the recent Popes, nor for any of their strange convoluted writings, any more than I do. She knows her Faith well enough to distinguish between true shepherds and craven hirelings. (Our group here is blessed with many good, wise, modest, no-nonsense women who take seriously their feminine nature, power, and duties. They are a blessing on their families, and a reproach to the weak, unfeminine “liberated” women who are mostly not part of our community.) There are thousands of us here, and more on the way, and in other locations as well. Our people now hold four of the five seats on our city commission. We, too, are part of the “real world”.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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As our forty years in the desert draw to a close, the V2 novelty is clearly approaching the end. Their seminaries are mostly closed (while ours grow). Their families are mostly small and shattered (while ours are mostly large and strong – it is not uncommon here to see strong, happy, united families with six, eight, ten, twelve, or even more children.). “Vatican II”, by which the liberals in the Church thought to make the Church conformable to the world, is a barren, diseased tree. Its bitter fruits are plain to see (you mentioned several yourself). It is dying, and not a moment too soon. When it dies, the world will think it is the Catholic Church that died, and it will celebrate. That is when the surprises will begin.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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As for not comparing corrupt churchmen with corrupt politicians, I don’t see why we should not. After all, the chief fruit of the official myth of “separation of church and state” is that the state in this country has become our established state religion (which is to say, identity of church and state, a la Russia), and its politicians and judges have become the clergy (if not the deities) of that corrupt religion, which lacks the honesty to identify itself for what it is, even as it writes its false beliefs into the structure of our laws.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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All for now, my friend. God bless and guide you and yours.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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From: Nelson Waller [mailto:nwaller@earthlink.net]
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In spite of everything you say, Dave, in the real world today it is virtually (or absolutely) impossible to find a Catholic parish that isn't poisoned with the liberal dementia in question. The sheer mindlessness of churches' obedience to papal and Vatican rot is staggering. They all natter that our duty is "always to welcome the stranger" (especially when politicians are finally talking about dealing with the Invasion); many or all of them pray that the death penalty will be overturned (promoting the liberal political agenda from the pulpit during the prayers for the day); their pronouncements, regarding feticide (to call a thing by its proper name) are hopelessly vague -- when they mention the subject at all. Well, that goes for all the priests I've worked under in the past 30 years anyway. Ditto for their stuff regarding the plague of sexual abuse. One priestly idiot I worked for even said in his sermon on Respect Life Sunday that he couldn't condemn "abortion" because he might perturb somebody who'd had one.
<X-TAB></X-TAB>In short, bro, you can expostulate all you want on how the church used to be or should be or could be, but at the parish level it stinks universally. Any parish priest who actually does his job will lose it. We're not talking about politicians right now so it's useless to invoke them. Pols get away with their crimes in significant measure because preachers refuse to denounce sin or wickedness as they did in the pages of holy writ and down through true Christian history. You may compare the RCC to various corrupt Protestant denominations, but few if any of them require all parishes to move in lockstep toward communism like <ST1:CITY><ST1:PLACE>Rome</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> does -- a perfect recipe for the destruction of freedom.
<X-TAB></X-TAB>All the lovely Catholic housewives swoon for the pope (any pope) and buy his books but fail to pick up that they're uncut Marxism -- that is, when they're comprehensible at all.
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At <ST1:TIME Hour="17" Minute="36">05:36 PM</ST1:TIME> <ST1ATE Day="7" Year="2006" M&#111;nth="5">5/7/2006</ST1ATE>, you wrote:<O:P></O:P>
Well -- you have convictions and defend them brilliantly, no surprise there. If your church weren't so l-i-b-e-r-a-l I could almost go for it. it's all for swamping amerika with as many billions of third worlders as possible, opposes the death penalty, and alternately advocates socialism or stonewalls it. Visiting Mom, gotta run. /\/<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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From: David Melechinsky <O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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Thanks for the kind words. I’m not brilliant, but Truth is.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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The Catholic Church is not “liberal” in its authentic teachings. In fact, Liberalism has always been condemned as a pernicious error (along with socialism and communism) by every Pope from the time it first reared its ugly head in the 1700s or so, until Vatican II, a non-dogmatic council. Unfortunately, the current hierarchy is very much a part of the now-aging gang of liberals that seized control of the machinery of the Church at the start of that council. Benedict XVI and John Paul II were among the architects of that radical (and radically failed) experiment at attempting to adapt Christian teaching to the demands of modern errors. Like Judas, the first Liberal Catholic, who tried to get his Master to adapt to the ways of the world, and betrayed Him when He refused to go along, these hirelings have betrayed the Mystical Body of Christ (I Cor. 12) into the hands of its enemies, who are now crucifying it. If you want a brief but concise picture of what’s been happening to the Church since V2, get out your Bible and read the Lamentations of Jeremias (or Jeremiah), the little Book that follows the Book of Jeremiah. If you just substitute “Catholic Church” for “<ST1:CITY><ST1:PLACE>Jerusalem</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>”, and “<ST1:CITY><ST1:PLACE>Rome</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>” for “Sion”, the picture should get mighty clear to anyone that’s been paying attention the last 40 years. I have written out a verse-by-verse comparison, which is downloadable from rosarygraphics.com.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
Our 40 years in the <ST1:PLACE><ST1:PLACE>desert</ST1:PLACE> of <ST1:PLACENAME>Vatican II</ST1:PLACENAME></ST1:PLACE> novelty will soon be over. It cannot last much longer. Those who made the revolution are dying off, and not being replaced. Whether the last of the revolutionaries have to die off before we can re-enter the “promised land” is between the Lord and the revolutionaries. But the Resurrection will come, when the enemies of the Church least expect it.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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As for the death penalty, the constant official teaching of the Church has always affirmed the right and obligation of legitimate state authority to use capital punishment for sufficiently heinous crimes, in order to punish the guilty and protect the innocent. It’s received a lot of flack from Protestants and Liberals over the years for that, too. It was John Paul II, expressing his own personal opinion, who claimed that it is “no longer” necessary for States to use this punishment. He was wrong. Papal Infallibility does not mean that the Pope is never wrong in his personal opinions, and no true informed Catholic ever claimed otherwise. Papal Infallibility has only been used once, that I am aware of, since Vatican II, and that was when the late John Paul used his apostolic authority to re-affirm the apostolic teaching that women cannot be ordained to the priesthood. But Popes can and do make mistakes and commit sins. The first Pope turned in a rather miserable performance when his Master needed him most, as you recall. Even the Pope has to go to confession! Our Lord came to save sinners, you will remember, and His Church is full of them.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
The bleeding-heart liberals, communists, and sodomites that began infesting the seminaries and priesthood, after “Good Pope John XXIII” dangerously relaxed seminary entrance requirements nearly 50 years ago, doubtless find it useful to destabilize nations with uncontrolled immigration. But they are far from alone, and do not set national policy. The presidents that signed the various amnesty and other bills facilitating the breakdown of borders, last time I looked, were all officially listed as Protestants. And I have to say that I can understand why the illegals come here. Doesn’t our government pay them very well to come here? Doesn’t it offer them free medical care, welfare, food stamps, and education, and all sorts of other perks? I can almost understand why they get upset with our people for resenting their presence. Don’t we Americans pride ourselves on the fact that we elect our officials? Why, then, do we get upset when someone accepts the invitation so graciously offered by our own elected officials? It’s our own government, and our own lack of vigilance in the matter of who is minding the store, that is to blame, more than the illegals who are answering the invitation.
Suffice it to say that there are still Catholics of the “old school”, who have chosen to stand, so to speak, at the foot of the Cross, refusing to participate in the crucifixion of the Church. Our families are having lots of babies. Some of our young men are becoming priests of this “old school”, many more than of the “new school”. It’s true that “Peter” is not standing there with us. The first Peter wasn’t standing there either. More about that in the article I mentioned above, Lamentations for the Church.
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Dave<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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Well -- you have convictions and defend them brilliantly, no surprise there. If your church weren't so l-i-b-e-r-a-l I could almost go for it. it's all for swamping amerika with as many billions of third worlders as possible, opposes the death penalty, and alternately advocates socialism or stonewalls it. Visiting Mom, gotta run. /\/<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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Hello again, Nelson…<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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I believe I have bumper stickers that say, “Liberate Purgatory ­the Holy Souls Need Your Prayers”<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
Praying for the dead goes back to the earliest days of the Church, to Apostolic times. The catacombs are loaded with inscriptions recommending prayers for the departed faithful. The Old Testament Books of the Machabees also exhort the reader to pray for the dead “that they be loosed from their sins”. Yes, these books do not appear in the KJV. The Protestants removed them, although they appear in the Septuagint, which was the Scripture that Our Lord and His Apostles used, prior to the writing and compiling of the NT. The fact is that the Jews of that time did indeed pray for their dead. And so did the first Christians. Why? Those in heaven do not need prayers, as they are saved. Those in hell are beyond help. There is clearly a temporary middle ground where those who die in a state of friendship with God, but who have not expiated their sins fully, and are therefore not yet clean enough to stand in His presence, can finish their penance. We call this place “purgatory”. True, the name “purgatory” does not appear in the Bible. Neither does the word “Bible”, except on the title page, added centuries after its Books were written. But the concept of it does appear there. Consider: Matthew 12 <O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
The place where sins are forgiven in the world to come is nothing more nor less than the definition of Purgatory. Thus, Purgatory is Biblical. By contrast, where in the Bible does our Lord command His disciples to write, compile, or print Bibles? He commands that they preach. This is how the Word of God was spread in the centuries before the Catholic Church invented the Bible.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
The Rosary is a prayer composed mostly of prayers found in Holy Scripture, led off by the Apostles’ Creed. You know, and say often, I presume, and hope, the “Lord’s Prayer” (Our Father…) which leads off each decade of Hail Mary’s. The first part of the Hail Mary is composed of two Biblical greetings to the Virgin Mary, that of the Angel, and that of her cousin Elizabeth, uttered under inspiration of the Holy Ghost. The rest of the prayer was composed by the Church. Protestants compose their own prayers all the time. King David did it, and his prayers are part of the Bible. What is wrong, or even unbiblical about the Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ composing prayers? <O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
<ST1:CITY><ST1:PLACE>St. Paul</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> said in I Cor. 7<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
7 For I would that all men were even as myself: but every one hath his proper gift from God; one after this manner, and another after that. 8 But I say to the unmarried, and to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I. 9 But if they do not contain themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to be burnt.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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<ST1:CITY><ST1:PLACE>St. Paul</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> was unmarried, as was Our Lord Himself (contrary to the DaVinci Code hoax). It is in imitation of Our Lord that the Catholic priest does not marry, and to be able to devote his undivided attention to the flock. If Jesus didn’t marry, why should His “ministers” marry? What is “unbiblical” about them not marrying?<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
Mary, being mother of the King of Heaven, is rightly called Queen of Heaven, as King David’s mother was called Queen of Israel. A very Biblical custom. As for praying to her, see “Do Catholics practice Idolatry?” at rosarygraphics.com.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
Got any more? J<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
God bless you.<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
Dave<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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To: David Melechinsky<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
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At <ST1:TIME Hour="16" Minute="43">04:43 PM</ST1:TIME> <ST1ATE Day="2" Year="2006" M&#111;nth="5">5/2/2006</ST1ATE>, you wrote:<O:P></O:P>
By the way, pardon my ignorance, but what is rosary science? I never heard of it. Is that some sort of Protestant thing? J<O:P></O:P>
"empty purgatory -- pray the rosary”<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>
Anyway, I am glad to see that you are familiar with the Catholic invention known as the Holy Bible. You didnt think it was a Catholic Invention? Look at Interesting Facts about the Bible pdf file, at rosarygraphics.com. <O:P></O:P>
thought provoking -- but tell me again how an organization that forbids ministers to marry and features prayers to the "queen of heaven" can be called Biblical? <O:P></O:P>
All for now. God bless you. (John 6)<O:P></O:P>
likewise /\/
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* a few links appear extant on him:<O:P></O:P>


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[John T. Dilberger]

I just read on the BBC that the Bishops of the African Anglican church arn't buying into the malarky going on in the American branch of the church with the ordination of Homosexual Bishops. Good for them.


I'm not a very religious man, but I do know that it says more than once in the Bible that to practice homosexuality is a sin. You can't rationalize breaking your own rules. Case closed.

[Scronx]

Right on, John. You're talking here about the Anglican church, which is in many ways similar to the RCC. And interestingly it'sthe third-world Anglican bishops that are rebuking the cushy American and British prelates for their moral and religious treason.


You're a religious man IMHO if you care deeply about right and wrong and place top priority on the latter. Meanwhile, try Bro. Lester Roloff's sermons, if you care to, for old-fashioned preaching and character in action.


http://www.roloff.org/fap.htm


LATER -- late July 06. Long thought-provoking rant from good group in Columbia SC.



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National Director of Priests For Life Father Frank Pavone led the ceremony,...
<A href="http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=5178273&amp;nav=2CSf" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp...3&amp;nav=2CSf

</A>Despite the courage and sacrifice of scores of committed Christian pro-lifers participating in
Operation Save America's annual national event in Jackson, Mississippi, their brave, worthy and
much-needed efforts to stand against the national sin of child-murder-by-abortion has been spiritually
compromised and dulled by the ecumenism that characterizes Operation Save America events.

The ubiquitous Mr. Frank Pavone, Vatican representative as national director of Priests For Life, continues to play a prominent role at the annual national events of Operation Save America, actually leading a memorial service for a dead pre-birth child as part of OSA's planned events in Jackson.
<A href="http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=5178273&amp;nav=2CSf" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp...3&amp;nav=2CSf


</A>Ecclesiastes 10:10 (KJB) - "If the iron [axe] be blunt, and he do not whet [sharpen] the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct." If a sharp spiritual "axe" is not wielded, then it requires more strength to get the job done, because the labor is not as effective. So it is when born-again Christians yoke with an apostate religion such as Roman Catholicism.

2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJB) - "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship
hath righteousness with unrighteousness ? and what communion hath light with darkness ?" The false religion of Roman Catholicism is "darkness." God's Word says not to have communion with darkness.


The long-term goal of Roman Catholic ecumenism isto co-opt the church of the Living God by leading
her astray into a counterfeit, one-world religion, embracing not only any denomination of Christianity,
but eventually, also Islam, Hinduism, and paganism of every stripe. Many Christians are clueless
as to the danger which Rome represents because they haven't been properly taught by their
spiritual leaders (e.g., pastors, elders), and they haven't learned the lessons from the Bible
and history on their own. Norma McCorvey, herself baptized by Mr. Flip Benham, national director
of OSA a decade or so ago, later converted to Catholicism. She is but one of the more visible of
numerous professing Christians who have been drawn into the satanic embrace of Roman Catholicism.
<A href="http://www.decepti&#111;ninthechurch.com/jp2.htm" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.deceptioninthechurch.com/jp2.htm
</A><A href="http://www.pccm&#111;nroe.org/Ecumenism.htm" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism.htm


</A>Roman Catholicism is not a denomination of Christianity. Roman Catholicism is a "Christianized"
form of the ancient pagan religion of historical Babylon.

Order the book by Alexander Hislop, "The Two Babylons" - for a scholarly explanation of the ancient Babylonian mystery religion roots of the false Roman Catholic religious system at <A href="http://www.chick.com/" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.chick.com


</A><A name="More Than These"></A>More Than These: A Call for Reformation
By Mr. Ralph Ovadal, pastor
This book details how Roman Catholic influence and even doctrine has permeated the pro-life movement,
including street-level activist ministries, Christian radio, the pregnancy center networks, and the hearts of
major Christian ministries.
<A href="http://www.pccm&#111;nroe.org/Ecumenism/morethanthese.htm" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/morethanthese.htm


</A>OSA rightly preaches, and strongly, bravely, and publicly witnesses, against the evils
of child-murder-by-abortion, sodomy, and the false relgion of Islam. Pray that OSA
will one day have the courage and faithfulness to Christ to likewise preach against
the evil of the false religion of Roman Catholicism.

"For the word of the LORD is right: and all His works are done in [His] Truth."
Psalm 33:4

While it is true that there are probably born-again Christians who [sadly] make up the ranks of those
who are part of the blasphemous Roman Catholic religion, as at least one reformed minister has said,
they are saved in spite of the teachings of their religion.


"Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3 (KJB)

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8,9 (KJB)


Saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in the Lord Jesus Christ (Messiah) alone !

formerly Roman Catholic, until Jesus Christ set me free !
Steve Lefemine, pro-life missionary
dir., Columbia Christians for Life
Columbia, SC
<A href="http://www.christianlifeandliberty.net/" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.ChristianLifeandLiberty.net
</A><A href="http://www.righttolifeactofsc.net/" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.RighttoLifeActofSC.net
</A>July 22, 2006
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</A>July 21, 2006

<A href="http://www.clari&#111;nledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060720/NEWS/60720008" target="_blank">Priest Brings Dead Fetus to Jackson, Stages Mock Funeral
</A>Jackson Clarion Ledger A memorial service for an aborted fetus concluded today without the planned
burial in Smith Park. The 11 a.m. service was part of an eight-day protest led by the anti-abortion group, Operation Save America, in an effort to shut down Jackson Women's Health Organization, the state's
last remaining abortion clinic. Counterprotesters showed up toward the end of the hour-long service,
causing tempers to flare. The pro-choice group walked through the recessional with an accordion player
and yelled profanity-laced tirades against the anti-abortion protesters. Sheriff's deputies escorted one
of the counterprotesters out of the park. Frank Pavone, director of Priests for Life,said the fetus,
which is being preserved in a formaldehyde-like solution, will be buried in Alabama in a few months.
It has been used in demonstrations in New York and Columbus, Ohio, he said, and will be in several
more before being buried.
<A href="http://www.clari&#111;nledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060720/NEWS/60720008" eudora="autourl" target="_blank"> http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pb...D=/20060720/NE WS/60720008


</A><A href="http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=5178273&amp;nav=2CSf" target="_blank">Local TV Coverage: Priest Stages Mock Funeral For Fetus
</A>An unusual event marks the sixth day of abortion protests in Jackson. The group Operation Save
America drew crowds downtown, where they had on display what they say is an aborted child
(Watch Video Clip: Protestors Hold Mock Funeral). National Director of Priests For Life Father
Frank Pavone led the ceremony, that he says is a crucial part in the Pro-Life movement.
"It's important to see the baby," he says. "So many people dismiss abortion in abstract terms."
<A href="http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=5178273&amp;nav=2CSf" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp...3&amp;nav=2CSf

</A> __________________________________________________ __________ ________________________

Roman Catholicism is not Biblical Christianity
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</A>Catholics say The Holy Bible lies
<A href="http://www.covenantnews.com/blog/archives/015381.html" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.covenantnews.com/blog/archives/015381.html
</A>BLASPHEMY - The hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document
instructing Catholics that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.


Roman Catholicism: The Cult of Mary
<A href="http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/index.htm" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.jesus-is-lord.com/index.htm


</A>Pope Kisses the Koran; OSA burns the Koran, but platforms Catholic priest:
Though Operation Save America apparently burned a copy of Islam's demonic "holy book," the Koran,
OSA nevertheless demonstrated its spiritual blindness to the danger of ecumenical yoking with
Roman Catholicism, by allowing Roman Catholic priest Frank Pavone to actually lead a memorial
service for an aborted child as part of OSA's organized events in Jackson, despite the fact that
Frank Pavone's former superior, the late pope John Paul II, actually kissed the Koran, reportedly,
"as a sign of respect".

<A href="http://jacks&#111;n.operati&#111;nsaveamerica.org/pressReleases.asp?C&#111;ntentID=100" eudora="autourl" target="_blank"> http://jackson.operationsaveamerica....eleases.asp?Co ntentID=100
</A><A href="http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=5178273&amp;nav=2CSf" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp...3&amp;nav=2CSf



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The Pope Kissing The Qu'ran



</DIV>www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popekiss.html
Here is a photo of the Pope at the end of an audience with Patriarch Raphael I of Iraq where
"the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book the Qu'ran presented to him by the delegation and
kissed it as a sign of respect".

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<A href="http://www.pccm&#111;nroe.org/Ecumenism/morethanthese.htm" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/morethanthese.htm
</A><A name="More Than These"></A>More Than These: A Call for Reformation
By Pastor Ralph Ovadal
270 pages, <A href="http://www.pccm&#111;nroe.org/Resources.htm" target="_blank">$8
</A>© 2004Heart of the Matter Publications
ISBN: 0-9665251-1-6

A Story Which Needed Telling
An ecumenical epidemic has broken out in America. These days, many evangelical Christians accept Roman Catholics as “brothers and sisters in Christ” and the Roman Catholic Church as a Christian church, albeit with
some unbiblical “doctrinal distinctives.” Pastor Ralph Ovadal believes that the pro-life movement has been
one of the key factors, if not the key factor, in desensitizing Christians to the danger and sin of accepting
the Roman Catholic Church as Christian. In More Than These, Pastor Ovadal begins with the Second Vatican Council of 1962-1965 and documents how the Roman Catholic Church has systematically used the pro-life movement, with the help of Christians, to advance its ecumenical strategy. In the writing of this book, Pastor
Ovadal drew from his own extensive experiences working in virtually every area of the pro-life movement,
beginning in the late 1970s and including the rescue movement. His years spent as a Christian radio and
television program producer and host on a nationwide network provide an added perspective shared by few
people. More Than These is also based on research from a wide range of sources, some of which are
unavailable to all but a relatively small group of pro-life activists.

This book details how Roman Catholic influence and even doctrine has permeated the pro-life movement, including street-level activist ministries, Christian radio, the pregnancy center networks, and the hearts of
major Christian ministries. It documents the damage that such influence has had on the cause of Christ,
including actual stories of Protestants converted to the Roman Catholic Church due to Christians being
involved in pro-life ministry with Catholics. More Than These is an exposé and a history book, but it is so much
more than that. It is a personal story, a testimony, a documentary, a Bible study, and a clarion call for reformation.
The lessons learned from this book should be applied not only to pro-life ministry but also to any and every Christian ministry work. [continues at... www.pccmonroe.org/Ecumenism/morethanthese.htm]

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<A href="http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0185.asp" eudora="autourl" target="_blank">www.chick.com/catalog/books/0185.asp
</A>Where did the practices and beliefs of Roman Catholicism come from? In this scholarly classic,
first published over eighty years ago, Alexander Hislop reveals that many Roman Catholic
teachings did not originate with Christ or the Bible, but were adopted from ancient pagan
Babylonian religion, and given Christian names.

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How then shall I be saved ?

If the Father is inviting you, pray and ask Him on your knees, with all your heart and soul,
to reveal the Lord Jesus Christ (Yahshua Messiah) to you, saying words to this effect:

"God be merciful to me a sinner, and make me to know and believe in Jesus Christ;
for I see that if His righteousness had not been, or I have not faith in that righteousness,
I am utterly cast away. Lord, I have heard that Thou art a merciful God, and hast ordained
that Thy Son Jesus Christ should be Saviour of the world; and, moreover, that Thou art
willing to bestow Him upon such a poor sinner as I am. And I am a sinner indeed. Lord,
take therefore this opportunity, and magnify Thy grace in the salvation of my soul, through
Thy Son Jesus Christ. Amen." **

** Hebrews 4:16
The Pilgrim's Progress, chapter IX, by John Bunyan, first published in 1678

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</A>Berean Beacon is primarily an evangelistic ministry promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ
wherever possible. The ministry places particular emphasis on the evangelization and conversion
[of] Catholics. The other main thrust of the ministry is to inform evangelical Christians by speaking
and by distributing literature and tapes concerning Catholicism.

Berean Beacon Ministries proclaims the Good News of Salvation (the Gospel of Jesus
Christ). The President and founder is Richard Bennett, a former Roman Catholic Priest.
A number of articles are posted to help those in Catholicism to find the true Gospel of
Jesus Christ. Books, tracts, booklets, videos and cassette tapes are also available
(these are listed in our Catalog; CD and DVD recordings will be added in the near future)

Berean Beacon
P.O. Box 192, Del Valle, TX 78617 USA


Far from Rome, Near to God: The Testimonies of 50 Converted Catholic Priests compiled by
Martin Buckingham and Richard Bennett. Second Edition is major revision of this important collection
of 20th century testimonies. Witnesses to truth of the Bible as the factor, which converted, each priest
from Roman Catholicism to true faith in God through Christ Jesus. The converted men show articulately
the lie that they had been taught, the form of the lie that they had lived, and the truth, which has set them
free. For Catholics and Evangelicals alike. 2nd ed. $11.00; 1st ed. $8.50; Spanish ed., $15


The Truth Set Us Free: Twenty Former Nuns Tell Their Stories compiled and edited by Richard
Bennett. In the 30 years that have elapsed since Vatican Council II, much confusion has arisen both
among Catholics and among Bible believers as to where each stands today. This small book brings
the steady light of twenty 20th century women to bear on this murky religious confusion of our times.
These women became nuns in RC convents as their finest means of serving God. The testimonies
are inside stories, intensely personal, wonderfully down-to-earth, of avid interest to Catholics and
Evangelicals alike. $10. AUDIO: also available in album of 6 audiocassettes $20

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[Nelson]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...s/2006-08-20-f aith-edit_x.htm


Is the Catholic Church pro-immigrant? You bet.


The Catholic Church — an unrelenting opponent of abortion and homosexuality and troubled by its own priest-abuse scandals — has been called many things, but fashionable isn't often among them. Yet fashion is why some critics now speculate the church has involved itself in today's third rail of politics: immigration reform. The chorus has been steady and building. A sampling:


• Rep. Pete King, R-N.Y., a Roman Catholic and chairman of the House of Representatives' Homeland Security Committee, told Fox's Bill O'Reilly earlier this year, "This has become the politically correct tune. ... Too many people in the Catholic Church have signed onto this. It's fashionable."


• Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., a leading opponent of illegal immigration, has blamed the church's stance on "left-leaning religious activists."


• CNN's Lou Dobbs has accused the church of avidly looking south of the border just "to add a few folks to those pews."


Where does the church stand on the current debate? While the Vatican has articulated a broad vision of immigration through the years, it has largely deferred to the bishops' conferences in each country on specific public policy efforts. In the USA, the church favors the Senate's more moderate legislation over the House's heavy-handed enforcement-only approach. Both bills are stalled, but immigration is expected to be a prominent issue once Congress returns from its summer recess..........

[Nelson]

I've just gotten a sample copy of Today's Front Page for my master file of rightist periodicals, a Christianeocon-type paper which seems to be successor to pamphleteer Jack Chick's. They spend most pages bashing Ayrabs but reserve some space for Catholic crunching, including this note: "It is interesting to note that the Roman Catholic Bible, there is a footnote that identifies this Mystery Babylon as none other than Rome itself. It seems strange tht they would identify themselves as Mystery Babylon."


In my trusty New American Bible for the verse given (Rev. 17:16),the notesays "The ten pagan kings (v 12) unwittingly fulfill God's will against the harlot Rome, the great city, cf Ez 16, 37."


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[DixieDestroyer]

Also, the Pope has openly called for a New World Order...



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AAP | December 27, 2005
Pope Benedict, in his first Christmas address, on Sunday urged humanity to unite against terrorism, poverty and environmental blight and called for a "new world order" to correct economic imbalances.
The Pope made his comments to tens of thousands of pilgrims gathered under umbrellas in a rainy St Peter square for his "Urbi et Orbi" (to the city and the world) message and blessing.
In his address, telecast live from the central balcony of St Peter's Basilica to tens of millions of people in nearly 40 countries, he also urged his listeners not to let technological achievements blind them to true human values.
He said humanity should look to the Christ child for encouragement in times of difficulty and fear.
"A united humanity will be able to confront the many troubling problems of the present time: from the menace of terrorism to the humiliating poverty in which millions of human beings live, from the proliferation of weapons to the pandemics and the environmental destruction which threatens the future of our planet," he said.
"Do not fear; put your trust in him! The life-giving power of his light is an incentive for building a new world order based on just ethical and economic relationships," he said, speaking in Italian.
The address by the leader of the world's some 1.1 billion Roman Catholics was different in style than those of his predecessor John Paul, who died last April.
John Paul wrote his Christmas addresses in free-style verse and resembled poetry, whereas Benedict's was in prose like a normal homily or speech.
Since his election, the Pope has repeatedly reminded Catholics not to give in to an "ethical relativism" where circumstances can be used to justify actions that should be considered wrong in all cases.
The Pope, wearing a gold cape and with a gold mitre, continued in that line on Sunday by beaming in on the dangers of technology and progress, implying that it should not be allowed to become tantamount to a God in its own right.
"Today we can dispose of vast material resources. But the men and women in our technological age risk becoming victims of their own intellectual and technical achievements, ending up in spiritual barrenness and emptiness of heart," he said.
"That is why it is so important for us to open our minds and hearts to the birth of Christ, this event of salvation which can give new hope to the life of each human being," he said.
In other parts of the address he appealed for respect for the rights of people suffering a humanitarian crisis in the Darfur region of Sudan.
He made another appeal for peace in the Holy Land and called for "actions inspired by fairness and wisdom" in Iraq and Lebanon.
The Pope asked God to favour dialogue on the Korean peninsula so that "dangerous disputes" there and elsewhere in Asia can be solved peacefully.
The Urbi et Orbi followed a solemn Christmas eve midnight mass attended by a congregation that packed St Peter's Basilica.
In his homily at that mass he urged the world's Catholics to be beacons of peace in a troubled world and offered a special prayer for an end to strife in the Holy Land.
The next major event on the Pope's Christmas season calendar is a mass on the Feast of the Epiphany on January 6. Two days later he will baptise children.
In early January, the Pope is due to publish his first encyclical, a major writing addressed to all Church members.
The encyclical, believed to be called "God is Love", deals with the individual's personal relationship with God.
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[Nelson]

Mother Teresa is in the news again—she wrote letters expressing doubts about the faith she ministered to so many others. Just like the rest of us!


Since she read the riot act to then-president Clinton and her husband*, she remains the only major public figure to very publicly rip a president directly in the face for his evils. [img]smileys/smiley32.gif[/img]


As I write, radio news is revealing that Madonna is again promising to go for a more spiritual focus. Of course when Mother Teresa died ten exactly years ago, it was another overrated young libertine whose death eclipsed hers—Princess Die.


A pungent comment added to an article in Mother Teresa perhaps unintentionally calls down Catholics' total obedience to the pope—the real source of the problem the writer is tackling:


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...e/letters/arti cle2274009.ece
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Sir, Further to your previous correspondence (letters, August 13, 15) Roman Catholic priests were mostly married men until Pope Gregory VII decreed otherwise, and deprived them of their lawful wives in 1079. Paul’s letter to Timothy (1 Timothy iii, 1-6) makes this obvious: “A bishop must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour . . . one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection in all gravity.”


S. M. BOWDEN, Tenterden, Kent


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PRAY FOR THE PRESIDENT AND HER HUSBAND. THEY ARE SICK PEOPLE

[Nelson]

Wait—there's more!


http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details.asp?ID=24152


This is really the limit. This idiot is against families doing everything they can WITHIN THE LAW to keep their head above water, and FOR governments vampirizing them through taxes. POPES AND PREACHERS AND CHURCH DENOMINATIONS ARE STATIST! Would it be too great a stretch to assume he loves the IRS, or at least considers a sin to challenge its assessments on your daily bread?


The other news is that good old SermonAudio, the link above, is now a news site too. Other stories showing there:


Appeals court upholds ban on Bible distribution


Atlanta considers banning baggy pants


Hundreds in Uganda Denounce Homosexuality in Wide Protest


Cannibal tribe apologises for eating Methodists


U.S. judge sends Brazil evangelical leaders to jail


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Pope set to declare income tax evasion 'socially unjust'
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<TD colSpan=2>Pope Benedict XVI is working on a doctrinal pronouncement that will condemn tax evasion as “socially unjust”, according to Vatican sources.


In his second encyclical – the most authoritative statement a pope can issue – the pontiff will denounce the use of “tax havens” and offshore bank accounts by wealthy individuals, since this reduces tax revenues for the benefit of society as a whole.


It will focus on humanity’s social and economic problems in an era of globalisation. Pope Benedict intends to argue for a world trade and economic system “regulated in such a way as to avoid further injustice and discrimination”, Ignazio Ingrao, a Vatican watcher, said yesterday.<NOBR> ...</NOBR>


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[Nelson]

In addition to being preponderantly leftist and socialist as a denomination, Catholicism is home to some weird cultish/paganoidal stuff, much of it centering on virtual worship of the Virgin Mary (or a conflation of her with Goddess). You get the feeling the Pope would would, though embarrassed by it, not dare to say a word against it—the Catholic soccer mom community would lynch him!


You've got the Fatima obsession and nw something REALLY strange called Mother Mary's Music. This, another revealingartifact scrounged in a thrift shop,is a handsomely produced music CD by one "Dorothy Lee Fulton, Messenger of Music". On the cover are pics of the figurine of Mary in her gilt-and-white ceramic mantle with her golden crown seperately placed on her head, the latter surely a giveaway that this is really the ancient Babylonian cult, thinly disguised for modern fantasy trippers?


http://www.cosmicportals.org/h_music...mary_vol_3.htm


Selections: Lovely Lady Venus, Our Love to Helios and Vesta, Our Prayer to Alpha and Omega in the Great Central Sun.


Other CDs in the series include Lord Maitreya and Ruby Ray (Buddha or Confucius on cover), apparently a reference to this bug-eyed dude:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padma_sambhava

[Nelson3]

"Vatican Seeks to Eliminate Use of the Divine Name" -- a headline that will mean something to some readers, e.g. some Christian Identity people.

http://odeo.com/episodes/23980250-Va...s-to-Eliminate -Use-of-the-Divine-Name

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;a...mp;as_epq=vati can+seeks+to+eliminate+use&amp;as_oq=&amp;as_eq=&a mp;num=10& amp; amp; amp;lr=&amp;as_filetype=&amp;ft=i&amp;as_sitesearc h=&amp;as_ qdr=all&amp;as_rights=&amp;as_occt=any&amp;cr=&amp ;as_nlo=&a mp;a mp;a mp;as_nhi=&amp;safe=images

I found it in a Watchtower magazine (4/1/09), and in truth the JW mags have a great deal of interest in them. In another issue in the batch my computer doc just brought me (actually the current issue of Awake!) is a one-pager on Bucharest's architecture. My God, Ceausescu had a gigantic "House of the People" built -- one of the world's largest buildings, a palace three times the size of Versailles. "When his regime collapsed in 1989, the building was still unfinished, although by then it had already cost more than a billion dollars.

The monster razed a third of the city in order to build 23,000 warehouse-like apartments -- all this in a country the size of Oregon. Can you imagine?

"According to the Guinness Book of World Records, the Palace is the
world's largest civilian administrative building (The Pentagon is the
largest overall), most expensive administrative building, and heaviest
building" -- Wikipedia

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[Nelson3]

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[Nelson4]

attempted fix of the above URL

http://www.anu.org/forums/threads/24...light=catholic